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Cracked/Damaged top plate near secondary holes.

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by njtomatoguy, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. njtomatoguy

    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Hi all,

    I just noticed that the top plate(not removable) is damaged. It is warped, and there is a hole. I am concerned.
    I'll keep an eye on it today, but I was not planning on buying a new stove.

    Any opinions on the safety of this. The gap is near the secondaries.

    CFM240007


    Thanks,
    NJT

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  2. njtomatoguy

    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    more info-
    Stove has cooled off enough to really look. I remove the 2 bricks that lead too the chimney, and there is some kind of metal tray up there moving around. and insulation.

    If that helps...
  3. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    A hole in the baffle is not good, it will get worse unless the flue gases can be prevented from going up there. There should be flat firebrick on top of the baffle which it sounds like you found. that should help.

    How badly warped is it? Let the stove go out and take some pictures so that we can see what you are seeing. Also, inspect the secondary burn tube(s) below this hole carefully. Look for cracks or a split on the top of the tube.
  4. njtomatoguy

    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    It's warped pretty bad. I don't know where the camera is..

    I am also trying to figure out what that plate is that is moving around.
  5. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Sounds like a cracked burn tube torched the baffle.
  6. njtomatoguy

    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Yup, it's the baffle assembly that's loose. Found this :
    http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/...ry-fw240007-used-but-where-to-get-info.53649/

    So now, i guess shopping for a new stove. I Just last week started a new job, so I may try to limp this one along until friday, when I have off
    Do you think it's ok to burn until then?
    I don't have a furnace.
    I do have one electric portable radiator, but it won't do the house.
    Thanks BeGreen..
  7. njtomatoguy

    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    I can fit my finger in the hole. when I poked it with the poker. it opened up. Now everything else feels solid. Hole is about the size of a dime.
    I just fired up the stove, and it looks normal..
  8. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    With the bricks in place it is probably safe for the short term. I would watch the secondary burn and see if there is a lot of flame pointed to that area.
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    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Thank You BeGreen.
    I ran it for 2 hours, and it was normal. Actually had slow rolling flames, secondaries, etc.
    So, I guess I'll have to start stove shopping, but at least it doesn't have to be dealt with today.
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    corey21 Minister of Fire

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    Sorry to hear about that.

    Is your baffle board welded in like my stove?
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    EatenByLimestone Minister of Fire

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    I've never heard of this with the stove. Have you really worked the stove out? Mine never gets that hot unless it's really cold out.

    Can you weld in a small plate to cover the hole? Is the rest of the baffle thin also?

    Please post pics if you get the chance.

    Matt
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    EatenByLimestone Minister of Fire

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    It also dawned on me that you might be able to plug a small hole temporarily with keyed furnace cement. The key should keep it in there while the metal expands and contracts.

    Matt
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    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Corey, Yes, it's welded in.
    Matt, I guess this is the price I pay for burning mostly pallets, and running it hard. I have that aversion
    to turning on the furnace. Matter of fact, it's been off since 2009. I tried to get the furnace on yesterday, and the motor siezed. HA!

    I may try to get a new stove in next weekend. Otherwise, no noticeable difference in the operation yesterday and last night. I didn't sleep much though...
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    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Wow, maybe an improvement...
    Started a nice fire yesterday evening with some maple. Had a nice coal bed at 7pm. Did not re-load.House was 76( A little warm for me to sleep)
    At 6:45 am, house was 64. Decided to have a fire to take the chill off for the day, and actually had a few red coals under the ashes.
    I am ok with that! The coals were not enough to start a fire, but still, only lost 12 degrees in 12 hours.... I did put on a new roof and tiled the living room and hallway floors in june. (Well, my contractor did..)
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    Do you see the firebrick through the hole? I'm wondering it you could have a piece of stainless steel 24 ga cut to slide in under the bricks to get you through the season? Or maybe it could be screwed onto the underside of the baffle?
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    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    There is no firebrick where the hole is, but I did move that plate that is sliding around up there, and everything seems fine. I may try to put a plate over the hole on friday.
  17. corey21

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    Hope you can fix it without having to buy a new stove.
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    njtomatoguy Feeling the Heat

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    Just an update..
    I did chicken out, and shut it down. Tried to fire the gas furnace(1954)-No good. Moved out, the house is for sale. I'm so far underwater
    it is pathetic. Moved in with the parents. Me and the dog are fat and spoiled. Mom is cooking up a storm. I work for my Dad anyway, so it saves
    the commute. The food is amazing!! They have a gas fireplace, the dog loves it.
    We had a "Change of Hearth".

    NJT

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