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Empire 100 by Profab

Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by rglazier65, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    looking for some input on this boiler please
    website is www.profab.org/home/
    it is an indoor gassifier

    thanks in advance

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  2. Donl

    Donl Feeling the Heat

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    They don't offer very much information do they?. I would be very skeptical about this product. They really do need to provide some useful information instead of just hype!
  3. WoodChoppa

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    Seeing as this is the same company that produced the Greenwood I would be very wary of there products.
  4. Singed Eyebrows

    Singed Eyebrows New Member

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    You don't know if your getting a decent firetube boiler or a pot of water on top of a wood stove. I wouldn't even bother to call them to find out, Randy
  5. ISeeDeadBTUs

    ISeeDeadBTUs Guest

    ProFab did not 'produce' the GreenWood, though they service it now, supposedly. I say supposedly, because, I emailed them about parts and am still waiting to hear back . . .
  6. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    thankyou you all for the input. Right or wrong i bought one anyway and will begin the install and will post pictures and my ups and downs along the way. I will need to draw on the boards experence im sure. basicly it came down to the fact this was the only indoor gassifier sold in my town.... so i could deal with any waranty issues localy. it has a large firebox as well (6.1ft3), takes a decent length of wood (24 inch).

    wish me luck....the move into the house happens tommorow
  7. Deere10

    Deere10 New Member

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    Inside the house?? UGH not the best move IMO. Many threads have said with these units to try and place them in an out building due to heavy smoke when loading the boiler. Good luck with the install.
  8. bigburner

    bigburner Feeling the Heat

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    any one using draft inducer on these up-drafters, [except they have to travel down to vent] if you had the 125.00 inducer on a door switch that would/might make the difference. My home made job has a smoke problem when the new logs are loaded only after the bark starts to burn then the smoke comes back out the door unless less there is a very hot fire then the draft will be < .05 I have a built in by pass damper goes directly to the stack, haven't quit got around to dialing that in yet. PS my unit has it's own living quarters.
  9. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    OK... The boiler made it in to its new room. This room is actually an old indoor pool that we recently filled in. I too will build it its own sealed off room, and will be able to utilize the old pool exhaust fan i suppose if this thing smokes while loading. The empire 100 does have a smoke curtain...hope it works, i am gona find out soon enough i guess. Anyway the chimney goes in tomorrow... will take closer pictures of the unit and final resting spot for all to see tomorrow....

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  10. ISeeDeadBTUs

    ISeeDeadBTUs Guest

    Looks like firecap and you are our test team http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/61151/

    Well, you've bitten the bullet so please keep us posted. From the website -lacking in any sort of details- these units are NOTHING like a Greenwood. These units appear to be a forced downdraft, similar to many of the Euro models.

    I assume the Cozyburn was more or less their original product. Looks like they bought up a few companies along the way.

    Anyway, please take pics inside the unit before you fire it up and post them here. Seems to me most companies prefer to make outrageous claims and bash their competition. We consumers on the other hand, don't give a dayum what the salesmen think, preferring to hear about the weaknesses of each unit. Since we are the R&D, I say we should benefit fully.

    Oh, did I forget to say . . . more pics please? :coolsmile:
  11. kabbott

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    I am not familiar with these units at all so I don't know if it will smoke. If it becomes a problem just build
    a hood over it with an exhaust fan. I have had a "smoker" in the past and this was one of the biggest factors
    in deciding on a new boiler, Wife said that it "better not smoke" and be easy to load...

    Good luck with the new unit.
  12. bigburner

    bigburner Feeling the Heat

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    Hey don't for get to hook that thing to your pool, at my house we like swimming when its cold out and the water and room are heated by wood
  13. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    Pictures as promised

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  14. ISeeDeadBTUs

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    This is very close to boiler porn . . .

    Looks good so far . . . fired it up yet?
  15. kabbott

    kabbott Member

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    So I get off work a few hours early today and here I am... Wife calls... what you doin?... Ahh lookin at boiler porn.... Huh? ahh nevermind.
  16. ISeeDeadBTUs

    ISeeDeadBTUs Guest

    What is that flap at the top of the load door opening??
  17. kabbott

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    Anti smoke flap?
  18. ISeeDeadBTUs

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    The thing the OP is holding up out of the way. Top 1/2 of the primary CC.
  19. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    More Porn
    You must be over 18 to enter !!!

    ya i think that is some sort of a cutain to help direct the smoke from coming out the loading door. Also when the lever at the frount is swithced to load it opens a bypass door near the (see picture) stove pipe..... so as it does not need to forced down threw the combustion chamber. I am not sure how it works in other down forced boilers but that is what appeards to happen on this beast.
    i have not started it or will likely be a few weeks to hook this up, but i cant wait thats for sure.

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  20. hoosierhick

    hoosierhick Member

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    If it works half as good as it looks you have a nice piece .
  21. ISeeDeadBTUs

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    Nor can we. You;re the demo project on this unit, so get a goin' will ya? :coolsmirk:
  22. NNYorker

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    Looks like a nice quality built unit. I like how you can easily access the heat exchanger tubes=much easier cleaning w/o dismantling half the unit. Would the door gaskets happen to be a silicone type? I see the lower chamber changed shape from the original design. Good luck with the rest of the install!!
  23. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    Empire update....
    I have the unit all hooked up... and the unit is working as promised. It has been quite cold the last five days -23C this morning, and the unit is working great. I really dont have any complaints. Nice large firebox, i currently fill twice a day and there are always coals to start the new load. No smoke when loading ( if its full of wood and you open the door it wants to smoke a little) but if you load twice a day certainly no smoke. Its actually amzing how little ash these gasification stoves produce, one week of burning maybe 4 cups of ash ? Thats about it.... any questions ask away.

    (oh and yes it has the silcone type gaskets)
  24. leaddog

    leaddog Minister of Fire

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    Is this an open system boiler? Looking at the brochure it shows a water level indicater on top which makes me think it is an open system. If it is make sure you treat and test your water. It is a good looking unit. It will be interesting to see how they hold up.
    leaddog
  25. rglazier65

    rglazier65 New Member

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    yes the boiler is an open system .... and yes i did treat the water with the treatment that came with the boiler.
    Question ? how do you test ?i assume one is testing ph ? but how do you do that ?

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