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Empyre elite owb

Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by ctnative, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. ctnative

    ctnative New Member

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    I'm considering one of the new Empyre elite owb but I don't want to smoke out my neighborhood. How much smoke do these new units emit when they are in the standby mode? Anyone in my neck of the woods have one in use? Canton CT 06019. I currently heat a 2500s.f. contemporary and dhw with an oil fired furnace. It has baseboard radiators throughout. My thought is to go with the owb so I can utilize the existing baseboard and dhw and also add some sort of heat in the attached two car garage. Down the road I'm figuring I can also heat my hot tub and above ground pool with it. How picky are these as far as wood condition? I currently have 10 +/- cords of wood cut, split, stacked, and seasoned for 1.5 years. It's not covered though. If I go ahead with the owb I'll eventually build a proper cover for the wood but in the meantime I'm planning on just throwing tarps over the stacks. Thanks ahead for any info and if anyone has one in my area I'd love to see one in use.

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  2. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    I'm by no means down your way, but most people up my way are putting the Elite 100 (indoor model) in their garage, letting the heat off the boiler heat the garage space, and plumbing the wood boiler into the oil boiler.

    No getting dressed and running outside to fill a boiler in the cold, with snow up to your crotch.
    Slip on your shoes, out to the garage throw in a couple of sticks.

    I spoke to the tech rep at the factory, he said they love when the wood is around 20 % moisture.
  3. ctnative

    ctnative New Member

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    Thanks willyswagon. The 100 in the garage is an option. I liked the idea of the residual heat taking care of heating the garage but figured I wouldn't want to run it in the summer if it were in the garage. How much residual heat comes off the 100 in a garage setting? I think utulizing it to heat my pool during the summer would be a good use for it. I'm planning on the outside unit going just outside the back door of the garage so it won't be to bothersome to have to step out to throw wood into it. I'll certainly have to get my wood piles covered soon.
  4. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    I just set mine up a couple of weeks ago, so time will tell here at my location. I went to see one last winter, and the garage was at about 60* F. I insulated all of my piping so I'm hoping to keep the garage around the 50* range.

    It is to warm up here to run it yet. Another week or two and it will cool off enough that I'll need to supliment the solar.
  5. ctnative

    ctnative New Member

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    Thanks again. Good info. Let me know when you fire it up. If possible I'd be interested in pictures of the smoke output both while the unit is burning at full blast and also while it is in standby mode and the thermostats are not calling for heat. I think my decision is going to come down to how much smoke it puts out. I have plenty of room for the unit per local codes but I don't want to be a bad neighbor and smoke everyone else out.
  6. pelletdude

    pelletdude Feeling the Heat

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    The Elite XT emits no smoke in stand by, Empyre received EPA Phase II certification this week on the XT 100. This boiler was running at the Fryeburg Fair all week next to other vendors, no smoke. Customers could not believe that after loading the smoke cleared within 30- 40 seconds.

    Check out this You Tube Video of the XT gassifying
  7. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    What I have found was that it smokes on the first start up.
    Bringing the boiler from 65*- 130*, from then on it is smoke free, except when you are loading.
    No sun in the forecast for the next week, so I fired it up this afternoon.
    I took a couple of pictures. I'll post tomorrow am.
  8. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    The four times I ran it , I have found that it smokes on the first start up.
    Bringing the boiler from 65*- 130*,
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    from then on it is smoke free, this is at idle, boiler sitting @ 180*F
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    except when you are loading, you get this for about 30 sec, then it returns to smoke free.
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    No sun in the forecast for the next week, so I fired it up yesterday afternoon.

    Hope this helps one way or another, as I could find very little info when I started my search.
  9. ctnative

    ctnative New Member

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    Thanks Willyswagaon. Awsome pictures and info.

    Thanks Pelletdude. I was actually planning on a trip over to your shop yesterday but got busy cutting wood with my brother. I'll stop by this week or next.
  10. Alberta Rhino

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    Wow if thats all the smoke these units produce sign me up. I am also considering a pro series 200 owb to replace my Heat Mor. I had also considered going to a 100 series inside boiler and place it in the garage and take advantage of the residual heat but was told that there was not any to speak of ,but that never made any sense. It would be nice to kill 2 birds with 1 stone if you know what I mean. I need to replace the excisting cement pad under the Heat Mor any way and also have to install better insulated tubing to the house so it would be some what of a new install . My house is approx. 2500 sq, feet and some what well insulated so the 100 should do the trick.If any one has any other ideas I would welcome them. Willy keep us updated on how well this unit performs this winter. Thanks
  11. goosegunner

    goosegunner Minister of Fire

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    Replace your heatmor why? guys I work with that have them say they are the best made.

    gg
  12. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    Time will tell how much heat loss there is to the garage. It all depends on how well you insulate the boiler piping, and what you have for a stove pipe.
    With the boiler riping away I can leave anything I want on top of it and the little bit of heat loss barely warms it up.
    My system is very well insulated. I am more concerned with getting the heat into the house. If the garage stays @ 10* C from heat loss that would be great.

    You can see what i did here
    http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/the-time-has-come.90243/
  13. Alberta Rhino

    Alberta Rhino New Member

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    Well I have to ageee that the Heat Mor units are a very good products. I have run a 200 CSS since October 2002 with no issues. They are a simple made and will burn anything. The only problem I have is the smoke they generate for the first few cycles after it has been loaded. If I lived in the country it would not be a issue.No one in my neck of the woods owns a gasification unit that I know of , I would sure like to see for myself how well these units perform.
    As for the Profab 100 in the garage I think 10 degrees C would be awesome.Probably would hook up one of my garage heat exchangers.
  14. willyswagon

    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    It has been between 3 - 7* C with NW winds gusting to 75kph ( 50 mph) here for the last two days, the boiler has been running for two days and the garage is at 15* C from heat loss alone.
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    Alberta Rhino New Member

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    Thats awesome.How big of a house are you heating ? what type of heating system ?
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    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    Small house by todays standards, 880 sq ft on each of the three levels( including the basement), plus a 640 sq ft garage.
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    Nice pictures, That is a very nice wood pile I'm envious.
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    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    Thanks I wanted to get ahead of things so my first order was for 12 cords. I'll try to get another 10 or 12 between now and Feb. I like to get well ahead of it.
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    Being a gasser how many cords do you expect to burn in a season?
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    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    The btu conversion from oil to wood showed around 6 cords. Time will tell.
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    I've been runnin a pro200 going into my 4th season with it...man i love it i do have it outside but man this thing dosent smoke alot at all i've got pics. of mine and the neighbors in full burn and you can see the difference is huge. Empyer is a great company also...any questions i've had they taken the time to talk to me and answer...
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    I'd check with my insurance company first. I wanted to put one in my garage and they told me they'd drop my policy if I put a woodburner in an area where vehicles or gas are stored.
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    That's amazing, and I find myself somewhat jealous. I have a Maxim 175, which is supposed to be good, but emits a steady (but quite small) stream of smoke when idling.
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    willyswagon Burning Hunk

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    I couldn't agree more. I just got off the phone with them. They have given great support so far.
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    I concur!!! This is my second season with my Empyre 400 Pro series and it has performed flawlessly.

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