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Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by Dgopetactical, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. imacman

    imacman Guest

    Agree w/ all you said Smokey, but AFAIK, the convection blower setting CANNOT be set lower than the heat setting.....at least not on my 10-cpm. As soon as you raise the heat setting, the blower speed follows it automatically.

    I'm pretty confident that all the newer models of Englander stoves are set-up this way. Maybe older models (pre '04?) don't have this feature.

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  2. DexterDay

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    They dont have the same feature as the new boards (like the CPM). My Fathers old 25-PDV (2001) can be set to whatever setting you want, BUT, the manual still states what was posted before. To run at the same setting or higher.

    This convection blower thing is how bad rumors get started on a fact based Forum. The Convection blower on the stove (Any) only controls the room air blower speed. Yes, the higher the speed, the lower the temps, BUT, this also is turning the air over faster (235 CFM compared to 160 CFM will heat the house quicker) and sets up a good convective current throughout the home.

    The heat range controls the auger times (heat and flame) and combustion blower (seemingly confused with convection blower right now) speed. The higher the heat, the faster the combustion blower spins, because the fire needs more air, to burn more fuel (fuel/air ratio). Room air has nothing to do with the fire.

    The rise and fall of a fire on a Low heat setting is very common in almost every stove made. The auger feeds pellets, fire size increases, pellets burn, fire decreases, auger feeds more pellets, fire increases.

    And the LFF being higher the LBA has nothing to do with the Room air. LBA is "Low Burn Air" for the burn pot (Combustion blower) this is a trim that makes minuscule adjustments to the speed of the combustion blower. And LFF is "Low Fuel Feed", also a very miniscule change in auger "On times". Something that should be left alone and NOT touched daily.
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  3. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Yes that is correct Pete. However, I don't know the crossover date.

    England has added a guard against lowering it however that isn't the case on all stoves and as we have discovered in the past what is a new stove to someone isn't always of recent manufacture. Even with the new units there is always the chance an old controller slipped in to the build. A case in point was someone getting a new stove only to discover the manufacture date was 2007. Warehouses and back room etc... effect.

    The long and the short of it is, that anytime everything isn't setup correctly for whatever reason you can have plenty of trouble result. In the case of a stove that has a controller that has multiple firing modes the very first thing that must be right is the mode setting.

    The least that can happen is that you don't get the advertised BTU output and the worst is that you ruin the stove and after awhile burn down that which you were just attempting to keep warm. Ya makes your choices and selections have consequences.
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  4. imacman

    imacman Guest

    Classic case of "first in, last out" in the parts bins? Could be......
  5. chrisasst

    chrisasst Minister of Fire

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    Mine is a 2009 pdvc, and the board will allow me to have the blower set lower than the heat setting.
  6. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Mine is late 2011 and I can turn my blower off "0" if I want while it's running. Not that I would do that, just saying.
  7. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    They all can if you set the AOT to zero.
  8. h2ochild

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    My Sept and Oct 2010 DOM, both allow the blower to be lower than the heat setting....Doesn't ESW require serial # and Model # for ordering a controller? Haven't there been other revisions to the controllers since the 2004 changes for igniters?
  9. smoke show

    smoke show Guest

    here too. but mines older(2001)
  10. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    PU-CB04 Digital Control Board (3 lbs. each)
    $217.09
    Digital System Control Board (rear of board is pictured). For models manufactured 2004 or later (auto-start igniter models). (For models manufactured before 2004 [without auto-start igniter], see PU-CB98.)
    **NOTE: Please specify your stove's Model Number and Manufacture Date in the "Ordering Instructions" box on the Checkout screen when ordering this part.
  11. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Just got off the phone with Mike from ESW trying to figure out my blower issues, he's working late on a Friday. I was assured we will get to the bottom of my issues. He said as per the above disagreements he will try to chime in this weekend or early next week, mike is a super nice guy and is 100% committed to customer service. Also thanks to whomever PM'd him to read this post...Thank you!

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