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  1. sebring Member

    joined: Oct 3, 2011
    148 posts
    PA
    I dont believe they should, but since they were so concerned with having stoves with better combustion they would ban unseasoned wood burning. Having people burn seasoned wood would be just as good as the stoves they helped bring to market. Just thinking.
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  2. Seasoned Oak Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 17, 2008
    2,030 posts
    Eastern Central PA
    Probably not the worst thing people have burned in their stoves.
  3. tschwendler New Member

    joined: Oct 1, 2011
    5 posts
    NH
    Don't give them any ideas! They're out of control as it is!
  4. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    Sometimes that is all people have.
  5. firebroad Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    1,029 posts
    Carroll County, MD
    Might be better to make sure wood sellers don't sell wet wood. Especially when they advertise it as "seasoned".
  6. Jim Buckhorn New Member

    joined: Oct 27, 2011
    46 posts
    WI
    No. No EPA. Use reason and educate. We are Americans.
  7. joecool85 Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 24, 2010
    834 posts
    Central Maine
    That's true. There should be a legal limit for moisture content and calling it "seasoned".
  8. oldspark Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 16, 2010
    5,113 posts
    North West Iowa
    I cant wait until you can only burn "EPA approved fuel" in your EPA stove.
  9. MishMouse Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 18, 2008
    614 posts
    Verndale, MN
    Or a better suggestion would be to design a stove that burns > 90% efficiency with less then seasoned wood.

    Saying a ban on unseasoned wood would give the EPA the authority to come into your home and fine you if the moisture meter does not read what they want it to read.
  10. kenny chaos Minister of Fire

    joined: Apr 10, 2008
    1,995 posts
    Rochester,ny

    Classic!
  11. JustWood Minister of Fire

    joined: Aug 14, 2007
    3,185 posts
    Arrow Bridge,NY
    Ja, forget about personal responsibility on the homeowner/woodburners part.
    I witnessed first hand how the government (USDA) handled the EAB and it was/is a joke.
    If I had to season all the wood I sell for 2+ years I'd charge $600 cord. It wood take 3 times the handling I do now and 20 acres of ground.
    What's next ,,,,,, regulated well done sushi !!!!!
  12. ISeeDeadBTUs Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 7, 2007
    2,241 posts
    NY
    How many BTUs in a[well seasoned] Bureaucrat?
  13. Backwoods Savage Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 14, 2007
    24,170 posts
    Michigan
    Right on Lee.
  14. oldspark Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 16, 2010
    5,113 posts
    North West Iowa
    A water burner?
  15. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,949 posts
    Northern Virginia
    Have it on Hilton property and it is by their rules. Yep. They cook the Sushi.
  16. Seasoned Oak Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 17, 2008
    2,030 posts
    Eastern Central PA
    As long as you dont try to claim it is already seasoned,no harm done.
  17. LLigetfa Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 9, 2008
    7,310 posts
    NW Ontario
    No stove burns > 90% efficiency with even dry wood. Take out the "burns > 90% efficiency" requirement and you have an OWB. Those OWB guys claim they are designed to burn green wood. Heck they even have one called Greenwood.

    The EPA stoves won't burn green wood anyway so this whole thread topic is moot.
  18. Singed Eyebrows New Member

    joined: Jan 22, 2009
    1,420 posts
    Midwest
    Then you probably wouldn't like the German solution either. Last I heard they test your boiler/stove for emissions with a drop down probe in the chimney. If it doesn't pass you are given a chance to correct it. When they come back if it doesn't pass the heating appliance goes with them. Randy
  19. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,949 posts
    Northern Virginia
    By the definition provided by the Department of Energy a seller could actually sell what we call wet wood as "seasoned".

    "Seasoned Wood
    Wood, used for fuel, that has been air dried so that it contains 15 to 20 percent moisture content (wet basis)."

    Since wet basis wood of 15 to 20 percent would represent a dry basis of 18 - 33% then anything he sells you under 33% dry basis is by definition "seasoned wood". Since wood moisture meters are calibrated on dry basis what you think is 20 percent wood would be legal for a seller to call 33% wood.

    Have fun.
  20. jharkin Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 21, 2009
    2,061 posts
    Holliston, MA USA
    Banning unseasoned wood... that's about as enforceable as the speed limit. good luck.

    And I have to disagree it would solve the smoke issue. An airtight (pre-epa) stove with the air choked off is going to smoulder and smoke no matter how dry the wood. There may be less smoke but it will still be smoke.
  21. CTYank Combustion Analyzer

    joined: Sep 28, 2010
    901 posts
    SW CT
    Wee bit paranoid?

    Want EPA into designing stoves now? Or just pushing the impractical?

    Define "seasoned" precisely, please.
  22. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,949 posts
    Northern Virginia
    “Seasoned Wood
    Wood, used for fuel, that has been air dried so that it contains 15 to 20 percent moisture content (wet basis).â€
  23. oldspark Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 16, 2010
    5,113 posts
    North West Iowa
    3 times a charm BB.
  24. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,949 posts
    Northern Virginia
    :lol:
  25. Mrs. Krabappel Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 31, 2010
    1,311 posts
    Blue Ridge Mountains NC
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