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Finally started the woodshed

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by muncybob, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. muncybob

    muncybob Minister of Fire

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    Got the post holes dug out today. Took us 4 hours to stake them out and dig 8 holes apprx. 3' deep each. Rented a one man post hole unit but it took 2 of us, a shovel and a breaker bar....Pennsylvania is FULL of rock, at least around here it is. Using 4X6 pressure treated posts rated for ground contact.

    The shed itself is to be 24' wide and 10' deep. Roof will be about 7'6" in the rear and 8'6" in the front with a bit of an overhang front and rear. Was planning to arrange rafters of 2X6 at 24" apart. Also planning to use 2X6 sandwiched on either side of the posts full length of front and rear. With this roof pitch am I OK considering snow load of 24"?

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  2. bogydave

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    Nice start.
    The local lumber yards should be able to help with the roof design & strength.
    Lowes & HD have pros at the "contractor's desk"that may help also.
    How many tons is 2 feet of wet snow on 240 sq ft (maybe 288 with the overhang) ?

    Better to be to strong than not strong enough, IMO.

    But if the shed is stuffed full to the rafters, no problem :) LOL

    Good question, 2X6 may be fine, I'm just guessing. Maybe some one here is an engineer & can help.
  3. raybonz

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    Handy link for you shelter builders...

    http://tinyurl.com/3znvpwp

    Ray
  4. certified106

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    Looking good, we are about at the same stage of the game. Are you planning on putting sides on your shed or leaving it open?
  5. muncybob

    muncybob Minister of Fire

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    It will have sides(3) eventually, may not get to them this year. Depends on how much the metal roof runs me. Just the eight 4X6 posts and a dozen 2X4's already has me over $200. Once the roof is on I figure I'm still ahead of the game compared to tarps last winter!

    Based on that calculater I need 2X8 joists since they are going to span just over 10'. What I'm not sure about is the spacing....I'm told I probably will be OK at 24" but I'm thinking about only going 16". Will be more work and $$ but better safe than sorry.
  6. PapaDave

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    Just a suggestion, and it may not matter in your situation, but give yourself extra overhang at the rear (or wherever your low side is) if possible.
    When it rains, the dripping splashes back onto the siding on mine and the bottom of the siding gets soaked. I ended up putting a skirt board back there just under the siding boards and it seems to be keeping the splashing off the firewood. The siding is taking the hit and will need to be replaced after a few short years.
    Mine is just about 7' in front and about 5' in back, which gives an approximate pitch of 3/12.......it works, but I should have gone a little steeper. I also did 2x6 at 24" o/c and they're fine.
    Having said all that, I'm not an engineer or pro builder, so will defer to those guys.
    Edit: The 4x6 posts may be a bit overkill also. I used those in the 30x40 pole barn. Not sure of the cost difference.
    Keep the pics coming. :coolsmile:
  7. muncybob

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    Planning on rear overhang and a gutter/downspout that will empty into a rain barrel. Barrel will have overflow into a shallow ditch filled with stone that will run downhill alongside the shed.

    I have to say that even though it's 24' wide it doesn't look all that big...maybe it will once it's filled with wood. I use less than 5 cords/yr and just want to store enough for an extra demand winter so I guess I should be fine.
  8. thewoodlands

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    Muncybob, nice start on your woodshed. Since we plan on building I will be following this to pick up info for ours.


    zap
  9. certified106

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    Wait until you price the metal roof.......There is a reason I purchased it a while ago, it was a substantial hit on the wallet
  10. muncybob

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    I may luck out on the roof. Daughter's boyfriend has some roofing in their barn...it's rusty but good condition. Will be checking it out this weekend and it may just cost me a tank of gas and a case of good beer. I plan to paint it with Rust Bullet and then perhaps topcoat it. I helped them out with a bit of labor renovating their house in the last 2 years so perhaps it's time for good karma to repay me.
  11. bogydave

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    Good idea. I may put some of that cheap box store rain gutter on mine, it'll help prevent some erosion & mud splashing on the wood.

    If you have room, you can add to it easy enough if needed. I built mine in 16' segments along property line.
    It's a nice barrier/fence & easy to add if I need/want to.
    http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/77739/
  12. muncybob

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    Dave, nice work but that's a warehouse man!

    I have a feeling I'll be adding on an additional 8' section for splitter/snowblower storage. My current plan is to build the 24' length into three 8' sections designated by the 4X6 posts and fill the shed up leaving a 6' empty space at the one end for the blower/splitter storage. We'll see how that works. Like you said, adding on should not pose any problems...I think I could easily go another 16'.
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    10' x 24' x 7.5' is 14.5 cords. I think if you only burn 5 in a normal winter, you will have enough if hell freezes over. Nice! I'm jealous. Trying to figure out where I can put one in my yard where it will be handy enough to get my wood in the winter. I would also like to build in a section for wood tools as well, but that could be done later.

    As for the roof strength, you could talk to your town/city inspector. I built a shed a couple of years ago and they gave me pointers on roof pitch, and how spaced out the rafters could be and how big they needed to be. It was a little easy for me since my pitch was 10/12. I used 2x4 and could have space them every 24" but spaced them every 16 so they landed on a side wall stud.

    Nice job, send more pics when you get them.
  14. muncybob

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    I've used a few online tools regarding joist span and snow loads. I think I'm going with 2X8 every 16"...it's probably a bit overkill but we have had some serious ice storms here and with an unheated roof that ice will be heavy and possibly still up there when it decides to snow another foot. It's not a big difference in cost. Appears that I can probably go 2X8 @ 24" but for a few bucks more it's much easier to do this now than later! The low slope has me really concerned.
    I plan to post pics but they will be slow in coming as the grass is growing again so I spend a lot of time cutting that now rather than wood!
  15. muncybob

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    The rain held off long enough yesterday to get the posts in. Thinking about when I ran our water lines out to the barn under our driveway, I bought the 4X6 posts long thinking I had to go deeper than what I really needed. Our water lines are 3'6" deep due to driveway being plowed, etc but everybody told me(after I bought the posts) 30" deep for the posts will be plenty. We took our time at this and it paid off as measurements at the end of the day show we are within 1/4" of square. Horizontal 2X4's are temp bracing.

    The holes have about 6" of crushed stone in the bottom for drainage and if the rain will let up today I plan to back fill with more stone up to about 3" from ground level where I will finish off with dirt. Since the posts are so long(fronts were 14' and rear 12') I'm now considering a loft area for storage. Actual wood storage area is 10X18 and plan to stack 7' tall. Still plan to use the last 6' or so for implement storage.

    This thing is tall but it still doesn't look big enough to hold close to 2 seasons of wood. I guess once I frame it out it will convince me.

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    Lookin' good Bob! Look forward to the progress pics! Thanx for posting..

    Ray
  17. PapaDave

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    muncybob, mine is 10x16x an average of about6-6.5, so can get about 7 cord in there. We also use just about 5 cord/year.
    I only put 5 1/3 or so in this year, since I plan to do some mods next year, and don't want lots of extra wood in the way. If we happen to have an extremely bad winter, I can get to more wood easily by April/May to carry through.
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    muncybob,

    Looks good! I would reconsider backfilling with stone around the posts. Stone will cause drainage, which will be next to your post, thus increasing freezing / frost potential. The other reason is that the stone will never completely compact (unless there are a variety of sizes), thus limiting the resistance to uplift, which with an open building is of some concern, although I've never heard of tornados in your area.

    I've seen the posts backfilled both ways, and although I've built hundreds of buildings, I'm not pretending to be an engineer!

    Good luck with the project,

    Bill
  19. muncybob

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    Too late Bill, back fill is done except for the top 3" or so which will be soil. Hopefully my buddy that talked me into this knows what he's on about!
    Dave, I guess my wood storage area will be about the same as yours. I'm hoping to stack about 7' tall. We use about 5 1/2 cords per year.
    If Lowes is open this afternoon and the rain holds off, I think I'll be able to get the bottom 2X4's(PT) in and then can start on the rest of the non treated 2X4's. That will probably be all I can get done this week...then Sunday it's off to Long Beach Island, NJ! If we all concentrate real hard we can steer the storms out away from the coast!
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    Looks good muncybob, since you did a great job on the holes I'm thinking you should come up next year when we start building and lend a helping hand. Who did you rent the post hole machine (digger) from?


    zap
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    Use this to calculate how much snow you get normally and how much you think your roof should support.



    Code:
    Density Information
                                 Light/Dry Snow    Heavy/Wet Snow    Ice           Water
    Snow Density (lb/cu ft)       3.12                     20.81          57.25         62.43
    % of water                     5%                       33%            92%          100%
    
    Snow Load Based on Accumulation Depth
    Snow Depth (feet)    “Dry Snow†(lbs/sq ft)    “In between Snow† (lbs/sq ft)    “Wet Snow†(lbs/sq ft)
    1                                         3                                    12                                        21
    2                                        6.5                                  24                                          42
    3                                        9.5                                  36                                          62
    4                                       12.5                                  48                                          83
    5                                       15.5                                  60                                         104
    So if your shed was 24 x 10 your looking at 240 square feet, If you had 2 feet of wet snow = 10080 Ponds of snow.
  22. bogydave

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    Looking great.
    Loft for storage is a great idea. Will need a ladder but dry storage is always useful to store "Stuff" in.
    I never have enough dry storage for "stuff" :)
  23. muncybob

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    Zap, rented that thing from a local rental place. Never saw a "1 man" machine before...it took 2 anyways with all the rock we have around here! That's one part of this job I'm in no hurry to do again!

    Yea, I need more space for stuff too! Can't believe the Mrs said...."just what you need, more junk"! I plan to keep a ladder in the woodshed for access. My helper likes to kayak and I'm looking for one...perfect winter storage for it.
  24. mhrischuk

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    I'm in the Northeast and all they required for my pole barn was 2x4 trusses 48" OC. The poles were dropped onto two bags of concrete and backfilled with dirt.
    And it was the rainy season.... doesn't it always rain when you start a project like this?
    I don't mean to take over your thread with my pictures but there might be something in them that might help you.

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    Unfortunately a tree fell on it right after it was done...

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    And insurance money turned it into a real garage...
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  25. muncybob

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    Man, that must have pissed you off when the tree fell on it!! Your trusses look similar to our barn ones. The woodshed will not have much of a pitch to it. The rain did not co-operate yesterday so nothing else was done outdoors, spent the afternoon in the garage with the saw and tractor maintenance...always somthing to do!

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