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FIOS ..."The inside story."

Post in 'DIY and General non-hearth advice' started by keyman512us, Aug 13, 2007.

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  1. keyman512us

    keyman512us Member

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    The dawning of a new day 20 years in the making is one step closer but still a year or two away for those of us in Massachusetts. After some "first hand dealings" with Verizon (finally got the internet connection back...long story for perhaps the ash can).

    The new campaign Verizon communications (the entity formerly known as the phone company...those were the days) is the introduction of FIOS (fiber optic service right to the house). Overlaying fiber optic cables in the 285 or so communities here in MA has begun (supposedly started in Burlington this spring and is working its way outward from there) but according to the last rep I talked to is still a year or two from "reality"...meaning this area is probably two years from service. Design criteria is promising 20 Meg Upload/10 meg download speeds...

    Apparently the big stumbling block right now is VZ applied for a "blanket" service agreement to provide TV services...but the state is making them apply to each individual municipality...thus delaying the launch of services.

    Anyone out there (say from RI?) use VZ FIOS service???? (Interested)

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  2. babalu87

    babalu87 New Member

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    My friend has it (Middleboro) FAR superior cable than COMCA$T
    ZERO lag when switching channels, I will be getting it as soon as COMCA$T goes up on my bill. I am still getting the $99/month for all three as a "new" customer.
    Ten year customer and I had to fight them to get the special they are giving to new customers.
  3. mkmh

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    I'm in Southern Maine and have FIOS for internet service. They don't offer the TV service (I have Satellite), but they have been spectacular for internet.
    35.00 per month for a very fast connection which has been 100% reliable since day 1 <knock wood>. I have zero patience for losing connectivity (even minor breaks in service) so i've been delighted with FIOS. My brother is in Winchester, MA and he has the full TV and Internet package and it has worked out well for him.

    I've had a couple negative "run-ins" with ComCa$t, so I go out of my way to not give them my business. However, I do have to say that my experience with my satellite provider has be yearning for the end of my contract. Not sure what i'll do once it's up.
  4. keyman512us

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    Babalu... The $99 package/Ten year customer is that with Comca$t??? I'm glad to hear your input, as so many other people have their services through cable (I too have issues with the cable outfits...thats why I'm through VZ, not a big fan of their service but the lesser of evils here). Supposedly, VZ if offering all three for $99/Month in (equipped)certain areas (wish my area was one of them).

    Chime back in on this thread in the future if and when you do get FIOS service. I would like to see a few pictures of what the actual "service drop" to the house looks like, what kind of hardware they use, etc.

    From what the service Rep. at VZ told me, once they install the fiber to the house, eventually they pull the old "copper service", unless the old service is used for other lines, etc.

    Seems like (from an installation standpoint...being in the trades as an electrician) things in the future might get interesting. For the past few years a lot of people have shifted away from "phone lines", quite a few households don't even use them anymore... that may be slowly changing...
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    One thing I found "interesting" when talking with VZ is that in areas that have the fiber (but not equipped to provide TV service) is that they are offering some sort of deal to include the TV portion through satelite service...somewhat similiar situation (I have the satelite service, but separate from VZ and can't get fiber yet)...After the dealings I have had with VZ...I'm just gonna shake my head and (patiently) wait until my area is 100% ready..lol I'm liking everything I'm hearing about how fast the service speeds are though...thanks for chiming in.
  6. jtp10181

    jtp10181 Minister of Fire

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    I can't wait to get some competition here for cable. Hopefully if they pass this law or whatever it is, and Verizon or AT&T;will lay FIOS and I can ditch Charter. I HATE CHARTER CABLE! Frigging rip off too.
  7. keyman512us

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    ...Well like i said "Twenty years in the making". Fiber optic has been around since the 1970's, big plans were laid out in the 1980's... and it's finally here! Like I said "it's gonna make things interesting to say the least"...

    "The next bandwidth milestone" is coming. Move over cable...make way for fiber!

    (Wanna Bet?) In a few years..."people will be saying Cable is dead".

    ***STAY TUNED FOLKS*** lol ;)
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    Keyman

    I have been a COMCA$T customer for 10 years, I decided that I needed to save along with all the NEW customers so I called and biatched at 5 people before I got the NEW customer deal.
    That deal runs out in January and unless the keep my bill where it is I will RUN to FIOS
  9. Gooserider

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    Just as an FYI - I have some knowledge about this because I'm on the Billerica MA Cable Access Committee - we are the ones that have the job of negotiating the cable TV contracts. Verizon is NOT being delayed by "having to negotiate with the individual towns" - They are not bothering to apply!

    Essentially the communities have NO control over rates and programming - the two things that customers are most concerned about... What we do is determine how much squeeze the town gets from the cable company - primarily in the form of money and channel allocations for the local "Access Channels", along with stuff like drops to municipal buildings, service to schools, libraries, etc. - Note that all this is passed on to the ratepayers so the cable co really doesn't care.

    By Federal Law, there are NO "exclusive" contracts - all providers have a right to supply services in a community, all they have to do is apply, and agree to meet the same terms and conditions as the existing provider. What Verizon is attempting to do is an end-run around this "no-less-burdensome" contract requirement by getting a blanket deal through the state, presumably for far less money, and with far less control by the communities. Billerica, along with most other Mass. communities has explicitly INVITED Verizon to apply for an agreement, and they have failed to do so...

    Gooserider
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    What a scam!
  11. keyman512us

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    SenorFrog..."It's a Massachusetts thing"...lol

    (The Movie)Goodfellas' could have easily been "set" in Boston "Whitey B. and crew"and the other "orginazations here" could easily make the rest look like 'snow white and the seven dwarfs"... ;)
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    True on both counts, but I will say that a great deal of this comes from state and federal law that defines what we are and aren't allowed to do.

    It is also worth noting that if Verizon was just doing Internet and Phone over that fiber, they could install it tomorrow and there isn't a single thing the Town could do to stop them other than being nasty about supplying detail cops (another Mass. scam - anybody working on the street has to hire a police officer to "control traffic" (often that of the coffee and donuts in their cruiser) for $30/hr plus, 4 hour minimum - Every other state in the US works fine with flagmen for minimum wage...) and otherwise being a pain about infrastructure access. This assumes the town wanted to be difficult, which I have no reason to think they would be.

    Verizon could then do programming on demand type service piping the video down that bandwidth as a data stream - but this would get the media companies upset, as it would potentially make their stuff more available online to be stored and otherwise manipulated (not that it isn't already...)

    The only thing that the communities have a peice of is the Cable TV action - by federal rules.

    Gooserider
  13. keyman512us

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    Goose...

    One thing I would like to add on the "Cop Detail vs. Flagger debate"... You hit it right on the head though... it works fine in other states... but this is Massachusetts...

    It would never work in Massachusetts.

    If you think I'm kidding you... put on an orange vest and a hard hat and grab a Stop/Slow sign and give it a try... a crossing guard has better chances of survival!

    (Carefull...I speak from experience)

    An outfit I worked for (From Florida working here in MA) tried to go the 'flagger' route... They said in light of what happened I could keep what was left of the sign as a 'momento'... after I got the guy in his jeeps' attention when I broke it in half off his windshield... (long story lol).

    This particular guy had no problem ignoring the "flagger" (me)... and it was hard to miss me becuase I was standing in the middle of the road and only stepped out of the way so as to avoid being run down...his windshield getting smashed did not alert him to the fact that he should have perhaps STOPPED to avoid on-coming traffic in the one lane zone...almost ran down another co-worker, just barelly missed hitting the excavator..luckily the Euclid was heading in the same direction... I knew the driver of the Euc would have no problem running him over like a beer can...His bravado and total dis-regard for public safety changed however when he was confronted with Mass State Trooper 'Johhny C' standing before him.. he had no qualm about potentially mowing me down...but then again Johhny C is a little more intimidating than I...Course so is the MSP uniform...

    I did however have to "get out of this clowns way one more time however" when he locked up his brakes and reversed direction" His broken windshield did look quite nice however...

    This was the same outfit that realized "The true cost of doing business in Massachusetts" after they paid $3,000.00 for MassHighway approved construction signs(installed BEFORE the jeep incident)... they vowed (If) they came back to do work here...the bid would reflect accordingly...

    On a lighter note... From personal experience, I don't support doubling of fines for "work zone violators"... I would however support a judges' decision to make the particular offenders have to stand "upstream" from a work zone in an orange vest having to hold that SLOW sign...say in the middle of I-495 traffic for an hour or two...

    That would be all the time needed...

    However, seeing as Massachusetts does not have a death penalty statue... sentencing an offender to this punishment would/might be a bit harsh...

    The added cost of having to, at a minimum clean up bodily fluids from the roadway from the 'unscathed' probably would have to be figured in...

    If a construction worker can endure the day...Five minutes for a 'civilian' would be sufficient to control the problem...
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    Mass doesn't have an exclusive on dumb drivers - I have an uncle that used to move houses (among many other things), always with all permits, full State Police and Hwy Dept escort, the works... One day he came to a down hill, the Trooper went down the bottom of the hill, and parked broadside to block the road. Lady came up at about 60 (road posted 35) drove AROUND the Trooper, who had lights on, plus siren, plus waving at her, plus yelling at her over PA horn to stop... Came up the hill, saw the house. (Note - when going down hill with a house you DON'T get to stop...) Rather than hitting the ditch or even doing a reverse gear drag race, she attempted a 3 point turn! About half way through, the house caught up with her - one of the beams peeled her roof off, picked her up and dropped the car in the ditch where it belonged. The parade stopped when they got the house to the bottom of the hill. Trooper went up, chewed lady out, and my uncle said he stopped writing because he RAN OUT of tickets... Trooper assured my uncle that he was totally blameless, and should have no problem. Two weeks later, he got letter from a lawyer saying lady was trying to sue him. My uncle called the lawyer and read him the accident report (filed for him by the Trooper) - lawyer apologized to my uncle for bothering him, and assured him that he would NOT be hearing from lawyer again...

    OTOH, I have done informal traffic control in MA, and not had a problem - I was actually having less problem with people trying to hit me than the black cop who responded to the accident I was getting traffic around - it was after dark, and he was in blue uniform with no reflective stuff. I also had traffic flowing more smoothly.

    Gooserider
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