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Same thing the people being flooded out now and from Katrina are saying......maybe natural? Maybe not....who really cares unless it is YOU that is being flooded out? After all, we can't really see them.....just another news story.
According to those in the scientific community, GW is not even a theory any more. Of course, the exact cause and effects are still being studied.
In a country where more people believe in the Devil than in Evolution, anything is possible.....heck, I give up!
According to those in the scientific community, GW is not even a theory any more. Of course, the exact cause and effects are still being studied.
In a country where more people believe in the Devil than in Evolution, anything is possible.....heck, I give up!
jebatty
Minister of Fire
Could it be a bit ironic that in not drilling now for possible oil, and using other available foreign oil, we are better positioning ourselves for the future when oil will be far more valuable? and of course, stimulating alternative energy sources that no on denies we need? In our life we often have not accessed available savings to meet a current want, and got by on alternatives, the benefit being that the savings were there when something really important came up, and also that we modified our life style for the better.
Redox
Minister of Fire
jebatty said:
I like that thinking. Save those valuable deposits for when oil is $8/gal, like the rest of the world is currently...
Chris
Adios Pantalones
Minister of Fire
"According to those in the scientific community, GW is not even a theory any more."
I think that you mean "hypothesis". It could never go beyond "theory".
A theory is a hypothesis that is tested. It generally has several "moving parts"- it's not a simple relationship that can be easily described in mathmatical terms (a proven law). Evolution, for instance, is well accepted but is a theory. Parts may change as new evidence is uncovered, but the underlying principle theory (change over time) is the same.
Man-made global warming is very disputed back and forth. One side says "it's proven". The other says "it's unproveable" because of the records of climate change before industrialization.
I think that you mean "hypothesis". It could never go beyond "theory".
A theory is a hypothesis that is tested. It generally has several "moving parts"- it's not a simple relationship that can be easily described in mathmatical terms (a proven law). Evolution, for instance, is well accepted but is a theory. Parts may change as new evidence is uncovered, but the underlying principle theory (change over time) is the same.
Man-made global warming is very disputed back and forth. One side says "it's proven". The other says "it's unproveable" because of the records of climate change before industrialization.
Adios Pantalones
Minister of Fire
"That’s what the lemmings said as they rushed towards the cliff—it’s all a crock. "
LOL- well, since lemmings don't actually jump off cliffs and swim to their deaths as we've been led to believe... this statement is sort of ironic, ya?
LOL- well, since lemmings don't actually jump off cliffs and swim to their deaths as we've been led to believe... this statement is sort of ironic, ya?
TMonter
Minister of Fire
Actually on a per energy input basis, electric cars have almost 0 advantage on gasoline cars. On a per dollar basis they are cheaper to drive but that is because of the scale of electric generating plants.
TMonter
Minister of Fire
AGW effects on climate are also very disputed amongst the scientific community, not to mention that no one has come up with a reasonable model that can be used from one year to the next to predict changes in climate.
It's not a theory, it's a fact. However the same can not be said for the cause of the warming. The whole alarmist crowd doesn't seem to want to pay attention to the actual science.
It's not a theory, it's a fact. However the same can not be said for the cause of the warming. The whole alarmist crowd doesn't seem to want to pay attention to the actual science.
1) global warming
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nasas-hansen-humans-still-loading-climate-dice/
It appears that James Hansen has been testifying about this stuff for longer than I realized.
I was not aware that this was known so far back.
That being said, I always wonder why is it we we are able to accept and act on acid rain but not global warming.
There really is no controversy that GW exists or that we are the cause of this.
I remember there were 'experts' from the tobacco industry that swore that there was no cause effect to lung cancer and smoking...............
It seems there are now 'experts' from the oil/coal fossil fuel industry who feel there is no cause effect from CO2 and melting glaciers in CO MT Europe Asia etc.
2) Evolution
With regard to evolution just because there is "theory of" before a word does not mean it is not a fact.
Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and it was proven a few years later to be true. Evolution has been proven over and over again not
just in botany and fossil record but also in molecular genetics.
Of course when you come to the hospital you can choose to be treated with Penicillin even though your pneumonia was caused by a bacteria that mutated evolving
into a penicillin resistant bacteria if you like!
Tom
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nasas-hansen-humans-still-loading-climate-dice/
It appears that James Hansen has been testifying about this stuff for longer than I realized.
I was not aware that this was known so far back.
That being said, I always wonder why is it we we are able to accept and act on acid rain but not global warming.
There really is no controversy that GW exists or that we are the cause of this.
I remember there were 'experts' from the tobacco industry that swore that there was no cause effect to lung cancer and smoking...............
It seems there are now 'experts' from the oil/coal fossil fuel industry who feel there is no cause effect from CO2 and melting glaciers in CO MT Europe Asia etc.
2) Evolution
With regard to evolution just because there is "theory of" before a word does not mean it is not a fact.
Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and it was proven a few years later to be true. Evolution has been proven over and over again not
just in botany and fossil record but also in molecular genetics.
Of course when you come to the hospital you can choose to be treated with Penicillin even though your pneumonia was caused by a bacteria that mutated evolving
into a penicillin resistant bacteria if you like!
Tom
jebatty
Minister of Fire
Lemmings - as most myths have some basis in fact, Wikipedia states:
"On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore."
"On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore."
Adios Pantalones
Minister of Fire
"It’s not a theory, it’s a fact. However the same can not be said for the cause of the warming. "
When you talk to a scientist, "theory" means something very different than what you think it does. It doesn't mean "hypothesis", as you seem to suggest.
On lemmings- yes, I had "herd" that, but calling people lemmings is a tad off base in purpose, IMO: http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp
Disney herded them off a cliff to make the popular film that gave the impression that they commit "suicide", or follow others to their deaths purposely. That some die accidentally during mishap in migration is certainly possible, but calling others "lemmings" because they follow blindly to catastrophy is a bit of blind belief in Disney stories (Yes- I'm on a mission to dispel the myth)
I think the ones in front get to the edge, and a bit of "Festival Seating" hysteria ensues. Wacky rodents- LOL
When you talk to a scientist, "theory" means something very different than what you think it does. It doesn't mean "hypothesis", as you seem to suggest.
On lemmings- yes, I had "herd" that, but calling people lemmings is a tad off base in purpose, IMO: http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp
Disney herded them off a cliff to make the popular film that gave the impression that they commit "suicide", or follow others to their deaths purposely. That some die accidentally during mishap in migration is certainly possible, but calling others "lemmings" because they follow blindly to catastrophy is a bit of blind belief in Disney stories (Yes- I'm on a mission to dispel the myth)
I think the ones in front get to the edge, and a bit of "Festival Seating" hysteria ensues. Wacky rodents- LOL
Redox
Minister of Fire
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