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How did you get your gasifier in your house?

Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by GS7, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. GS7

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    Since these gasifiers weight more than contestants on the biggest loser, how did you get yours into the basement? Did you use a rigging company or did you bring it in yourself? How much trouble was it? Or what was the cost if you paid someone to bring it in?
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  2. peakbagger

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    Rigging is skill that is acquired along with the proper equipment, If you dont have the skill of the right equipment, its easy to get in trouble as every set up s different. If you have one time use, its not worth buying the right gear and with the wrong gear, you get get seriously hurt. Lost of folks and beer are not a good replacement for thinking it through.

    I got a used one from someone so I has to take it out of one basement and then put it in my basement. First thing i did was strip the unit down. I took all the doors off and the sheet metal skin (which was held on with sheet metal screws, I was reworking the controls so they all were removed. This allowed me to be bit more 'rough" with the unit and didnt have to worry about dents and scratches to the boiler. My friend and I did the total swap in about 3 hours thinking it through and using the right equipment. My neighbor tried to brute force moving a tarm with the wrong gear and was out of work for a few weeks due to a severely strained back.

    Pro riggers have special equipment that can make moving heavy stuff easy. Call around various firms and possbily check with heavy equipment suppliers if they know of anyone that is good with rigging.
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  3. henfruit

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    Just delivered a 60 kw to narrow walk out with a deck over head. We could not get right to the door so had to build a platform of about 10 feet to get to house floor height to get it through the door. I always bring plenty of 2x4s 2x6s ply wood crib stock rollers and my trusty pallet jack. There were 3 of us there and we went slow and easy. No damage to the boiler of the house.
  4. __dan

    __dan Feeling the Heat

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    Second that. I've worked with lots of people who don't know how to use a simple lever, safety rope with two or three wraps, reel, platform cart, dolly, block and tackle, come-along.

    Weight is moved by the numbers. Knowing how much it weighs and what equipment can handle it, what is the right equipment.

    I moved the 1280 lb Froling alone because I have rigging equipment and the knowledge. I never handled more than 50 lbs myself, the tools and rigging took all the weight. But it was funny, several people looked at it and they all said the same thing, "you will need six or eight people to help you with that". That was a recipie for injury. Simply divide 1280 lbs by six or eight and see how much weight each man has to take individually at the same time. Dummys want to hurt me.

    When you can look at a 1500 lb unit and know how to move it by not lifting more than 50 lbs, you can rig.

    Had a JD 310B in the yard but it was not running at the time, so I used all hand tools.
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    I moved mine in and the old one out by myself. My new one is on the lighter side of the scale as far as boilers go.

    I had dollies, a floor jack, a pallet jack, lots of blocking, and a big pry bar.

    Also had a 4'wide walkout basement entrance with a big cement pad outside - which helped a lot. And a FEL to move to & from the pad.
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    hobbyheater Minister of Fire

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    I have made a dolly that can be completely assembled and dissembled around the boiler. The frame sections are just bolted together.
    Using a fulcrum (pry bar), the boiler is raised a corner at a time just high enough to slide the angle iron sections under the boiler and then are bolted together.
    Using a fulcrum again with blocking, the entire frame with the boiler on it, is raised gradually until the wheels can be put on.
    Depending on the grade, using a come-along, chain blocks, rope blocks or pry bar, the dolly can be easily maneuvered.
    This frame without the wheels on could be used to slide the boiler down a concrete set of stairs.
    Once the boiler is to its desired position, reverse the assembly and you are done.
    The Jetstream boiler on this dolly weighs 1,500 lbs and I moved it down a 50% grade by myself!
    This is my new spare Jetstream blocked up off the floor. Who knows how long it might sit here.
  8. GS7

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    Great pictures thanks
  9. TCaldwell

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    no pics but set my 4300lb garn, rectangular model 1900 by myself through patio doors in the garn barn with a lull. Squared up in front of the barn, leveled up with the stabilizers and telescoped the boiler 26 ft in, setting it on styrofoam.
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  10. GS7

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    C'mon where's the pictures of that Garn, we'd love to see that set up!
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    I had to get an 1100 lb. Tarm out of my parents basement. I put heavy plank rails on the finished, hardwood, basement stairs and hired a TOWTRUCK to back up to the front door and stick its boom in the house and winch the boiler up the planks. The front door and the basement stairs of course were in alignment. I was most proud of myself for abdicating doing it myself and hiring a true "rigging" professional to do it. For $125! He enjoyed the novel challenge.
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    Those wreckers with a telescoping boom are impressive with a car. they would handle a boiler with ease. Smart move
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    You guys with the bobcats and fork trucks have it way, way too easy.

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  14. Gasifier

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    My brother has a tow truck for his business and it has two winches on the rotating, extendable boom. I built a strong wooden slide up to the basement window. We then picked it up, moved it over to the window, and layed it on it's side. Then picked it up and slid it in the window. It was tricky, but it went nice and smooth. My neighbor helped me move the 400 gallon "buffer" tank in with his heavy duty old loader with forks on it. That barely fit through the window with about and inch to spare in one direction. The machines we build today.
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    GS7 google o2 controlled garn,many pics
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    I moved My 1450 lb Tarm down the bulkhead stairs and into position by my lonesome. I used a 9000 winch on the front of my Land Rover to ease it down the stairs and a come a long to encourage it to move down. Moved about 6" at a time with a lot of running back and forth. Once down I put it on some planks and some pipe rollers. If it was good enough for the pyramids it was good enough for me. A 4' pry bar and a floor jack helped.
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    Windhager BioWIN260 pellet boiler going into a basement: 925 Lbs.
    The pallet truck is in the basement already to move it easily around.
    Platform consists of 2x6's cut to length. They will be taken out one-by-one once the BioWIN pellet boiler is lifted

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  18. infinitymike

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    I put mine in the garage, so when the delivery truck showed up we just used a pallet jack up the driveway and into the garage.
    Nice and easy. Oh and the garage really isn't a garage anymore, it just stores a wood burner, wood and a 1965 impala ss that hasn't run or had gas in it since 2004.

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    infinity mike, what happened with your neighbor and the smoke issue
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    It really wasn't a smoke issue as much as it was a smell issue. He did say that he may see smoke only once in a while but there is more of a smell.
    To answer you question, nothing ever came of it. No one from the town came to me and he hasn't said anything to me either. I've wanted to ask where we stand but figures let it be.
  21. hobbyheater

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    When I'm burning really dry wood under 7% moisture content, I can only burn 50% of a charge of wood. At that low moisture content, more smoke is produced than can be burnt cleanly. There is still no appearance of smoke coming out of the chimney but there is a smell very similar to that of bunker "C " being burnt.

    Jetstream drawing.jpg

    The Jetsteam is different than its modern cousins. It just burns off the bottom of the charge making it easy to reduce fuel by reducing the amount of blocks. Instead of burning 4 blocks at one time you would burn only two or three.
  22. infinitymike

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    What is bunker "C".
    Believe me, the wood I was burning last winter was far from 7% more like 25%.
    When it's burning real well and there is only clear vapor and hear shimmers coming out of the stack there is a acrid or pungent smell.
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    Bunker C is a very heavy oil used by freighters, and often burned well offshore due to its potent noxiousness. Think thick heavy diesel fumes with a different odor.
    Does it make the same odor with various types of wood?
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    I don't think there is much of a difference in smell. Sometimes it heavier than others but I don't want to hijack this thread. Here is how I got mine on the concrete pad.
    It was on two pallets when they left it in my garage. Then I built a platform from the skids to the concrete pad (it was slightly up hill) and by myself with a pipe and pry bar I spun it 180* and rolled into place. ;) image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
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    I'm fortunate to have a walk out basement. We made a ramp up and over the door jam, and then used a tractor to push the unit up and over. Right before it tipped down, we had about 7 1/2" wood dowels on the basement floor for it to come down on. Then we just pushed it along by hand, moving a dowel to the front as it came out the back.

    Storage was a modular kit that I just walked from the trailer and into the basement. Piece of cake.

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