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Hybrid Progress or Lopi Cape Cod

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by charly, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. charly

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    Well after taking a hard look at things I decided since the Progress is 100 lbs heavier then the Cape Cod,, I'd be getting a lot more thermal mass , and not getting the heat drop off once the wood burned down.. Plus after owning a Woodstock stove already,, I know what I'm getting. Don't get me wrong the Cape Cod is a nice looking stove and I'm sure it would do the job, but in the end I think I would miss that nice stone heat... Plus the HP is a lot less money... I've been told and read on here that it's a whole new ball of wax compared to the Fireview.. I'll be looking forward to more heat next fall.. I also loved hearing how on the same amount of wood used in a Fireview,, the Progress put out twice the amount of heat,,,amazing.. I was told by Woodstock,, the secondaries are the big heat producers....
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  2. rideau

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    I'm very happy for you, Charlie.

    With your Progress Hybrid and your Esse Ironheart, you're set for many comfortable years....warm tummy, warm tootsies.:) And fun.

    Enjoy!
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  3. charly

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    I want to thank you for all your help! Very much appreciated!
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  4. ddddddden

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    With its steel box, I'd imagine that the composition of the PH is something like 400 lbs stone + 300 lbs steel/iron. Soapstone has ~2x the heat capacity of steel/iron, so the PH functions like 1100 lbs of iron_g (at least that's what the science says, not counting the surface area factor.) So yeah, a LOT more heat storage.

    OTOH, the Lopi has some convection mojo + optional blower, for those who are looking for that.

    Yeah, yeah. We know the real reason:
    You already have a Woodstock tattoo!;lol
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  5. Oldhippie

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    It's really is remarkable that it will put out TWICE the heat on the same amount of wood. On top of that it is still beautiful to look at. Although I will say your interest in the Lopi prompted me to go look at their site and I watched the almost 1/2 hour long Lopi video.. and it does look like an impressive heater too.

    It's great that there are numerous choices in vendors and styles with stoves.. not the consolidation and fewer choices that has occurred in other industries. (auto/banking/etc)

    As much of a chore as burning is, I wouldn't trade it even if oil was dirt cheap. (dream on! LOL) :)
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  6. Oldhippie

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    One bun has the Harley Tat, the other the Woodstock Tat!! Too funny!! ;lol
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  7. Waulie

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    From the majority of reports here it seems like performance is similar with easy 12 hour burns, and similar sized fireboxes and efficiency. They're also both pretty new designs.

    For my preferences, the stone, the radiant design (I'm not a big fan of convection deck stoves), and costumer service would swing it to the PH and that's with all else equal. If the PH is must less expensive it would be a no-brainer for me.

    I never owned a Fireview but find it completely impossible that the PH would throw twice as much heat with the same amount of wood. Not trying to stir the pot, but you should have reasonable expectations. From the reports of owners that have had both, the PH does throw more heat with the same amount of wood and certainly has the capacity to throw way more heat when you load it up.

    Good luck!
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  8. webby3650

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    I'm surprised to see that you changed you mind so easily. What about all the issues that you were concerned with associated with the PH?
    If you get the ashpan, the cost difference is only a couple hundred dollars and thats if the dealer won't give a break to get the sale.
  9. charly

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    How'd you know? ;lol
  10. charly

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    I do have a Harley Tat but not on my bun ;)
  11. charly

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    After talking with Woodstock,,, all the issues I was concerned with have been addressed , so I feel confident that the stove will be fine.. They also said that they are going to work with me on a price since I already owned one of their stoves, actually kind of hinting that they would have taken my stove into consideration even though it's been sold and 3 months over the 6 month buy back period... Plus I get that 6 month return policy if things didn't happen to work out... but,,,, I haven't heard of anyone returning a PH , only saw one for sale here as it was being used to heat 900 sq ft in which the stove turned out to be too big.. I think I would have really missed that stone heat ;).. I do like the Cape Cod too,,, but after finding out the PH would work on my hearth I decided to give it a try.. plus I think I'll feel more comfortable being able to deal direct with the manufacturer, and any parts you need, I can get in just 2 days for me, plus I can talk directly to the people who built my stove,, not the dealer.. Just seems like a win-win situation when spending all that money.. I can get a full refund from Woodstock,, I couldn't from Lopi if I wanted to go back to a Woodstock after 6 months.
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  12. ddddddden

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    A stone brother knows.:cool:
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    Have you ever owned a new higher end Iron stove?

    I don't think it is a bad move by any means, but with a quality stove like Lopi, there isn't a real need to talk to the manufacturer and parts come very quickly if needed. But, this also depends on the dealer.
  14. charly

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    I owned a Quadrafire 5700 before the Fireview which was not a cheap stove,, came with four legs that were machined at an angle so the bolts with the flat washers would not mate flat with the bottom of the legs , to hold the legs onto the stove and the legs were slotted,, could have spit the legs right back out.. , plus it came through with the wrong ash pan and the bracket slot to hold the ash dump lever open was not made long enough,,, no one checked it at the factory... It took almost a month to get the parts and then they sent me two right hand brackets , one should have been the left for the ash dump lever set up.. So I made that original lever bracket work by milling out .080.. Plus the only time I got the heat I wanted was with the fan on... So maybe a convection stove wasn't for me anyways...Plus when I took the stove side shields off after 2 years I found the start up air control pad was never aligned to completely shut of the air... The stove sits in the barn.. So once I got the Fireview and could see the factory, meet the people , I felt like I had a family of people who would be there to take care of any parts and problems I had and I still feel that way.. I also owned a Country stove 25 years ago that was a great stove . Before that a Hearthstone 3 .. So I think I have had some descent stoves.. I guess when it comes down to it,, I didn't want to take a chance of having a stove without stone, maybe feeling that quick drop off in heat once the wood was down to coals.. And I agree as far as some dealers being good and some being bad... The Quad dealer told me they didn't list the round pad gaskets that sealed my start up draft when I went to replace them.. I said OK, I called the factory after getting a number from the dealer , got the part numbers and call my dealer back.. I shouldn't have had to do that..This new dealer , he's a nice guy to sell me the Cape Cod stove, but who knows afterwards.. Lopi I couldn't even find a factory number to call and ask about the updates to the stoves to find out what serial numbers would be coming through with the improvements.. After being a Harley Tech for 10 years I like to ask questions at a factory level.. I hate to rely just on the dealer.. Now if I need parts or answers, it doesn't get any better then to know just one phone call and it's all right there.. Less then 30 seconds after you dial Woodstock, your talking to someone.. I guess in the end I know the service I'm going to get from Woodstock so I guess it was hard for me to walk away from that,, even though I think the Lopi Cape Cod is still a sharp looking stove,, it caught my eye;). So to your answer I've have never owned a newer Cast Iron stove except for the Hearthstone 3 and that was about 26 years ago...Wow I'm old;sick
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    It doesn't sound like you chose the WS on the basis of it being a better stove as much as because you might get a smoking deal and you have an idea that only woodstock can offer such great service. Both are good reasons to tip the scales in favor of the PH.

    The fireview is a dang efficient stove. You want more heat so you will be asking for more btus from the PH. I would repeat the earlier post and strongly disagree with this idea that you will get twice the heat from the same amount of wood. This concept implies, no, requires that the efficiency of the PH is double that of the fireview and that is just false.
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    I've had both stoves.

    Loved the fireview.

    There is just no question about it, the PH definitely puts significantly more heat into the room than the Fireview, from the same amount of wood.

    I believe it is a function of the much larger window, combined with the angled fireback, which simulates the angle of a Rumford Fireplace fireback. The stove by design throws a lot of heat into the room, that in the Fireview would go up the flue. Heat travels much faster through glass than stone or steel ot iron, and the stove is able to put a lot more heat in the room, and more quickly, than the Fireview.

    Combine that with the much bigger firebox, and you have a tremendous difference in potential heat output. Add to that the significantly larger door, which allows for much larger splits, and you have the potential for much longer slow cat burns as well, when wanted.

    The stove is more versatile than the Fireview. Its footprint in the room is exactly the same as the Fireview, if it is top vented. At the low end it can be burned with a close enough low output to the Fireview's lowest as to make no difference. When needed it can put out about 60 percent more heat than the maximum the Fireview can . It's firebox is less than 25 % bigger than the Fireview's. That alone tells you everything about the increased efficiency of the PH.

    It may not be more efficient in the amount of heat it extracts from the wood, but it is much more efficient in the amount of that heat that it delivers to the living space.
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  17. charly

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    I didn't choose Woodstock because of a deal,,, I chose Woodstock after owning one of their stoves already and knowing what they're about.. Building a quality product and backing it up.. Plus I already got to experience the nice even heat from a stone stove.. I don't really care how much more heat the PH produces then the Fireview or wood useage, all I know is I needed a stove that was rated to heat a larger area then the Fireview.. I had enough common sense not to keep the Fireview and run it into the ground by trying to get more heat out of it then it was designed to do.. As far as twice the heat output, that was posted by someone on here that owned a fireview and then bought a PH. what can I say.. I'm going to find out first hand for myself moving from a Fireview to PH.
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    Whoa, which is it? You need more heat or not? Your first sentence says you don't care about heat output but then you say that you need more heat. Make up your mind. I think the PH is the perfect upgrade in your situation where a nearly new fireview isn't getting it done. You get to continue to support the company and get a smoking good deal.

    Did you read this after you wrote it? I don't understand. These stoves have nearly the same very high efficiency rating from the EPA site. The PH is a fine stove but there is no free lunch.
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    If Rideau is correct about this, his explanation clears these issues up -- The EPA efficiency numbers are meaningless, one number plugged in for all non-cats, another higher one for cats. Mfr's own testing and #'s are more meaningful. Also hybrids like PH have appx 15% higher efficiency than cats.
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    It's not worth a big debate. I just wanted to make sure you're not expecting twice the heat from the same amount of wood, that's all. Sounds like that's not the case. I think you'll absolutely love Progress! Mine hasn't been cold (except for two weekends away) since the end of September. :eek::mad::cool::oops:==c;)
  22. charly

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    No big debate, I'm heating 2000 sq ft on the first floor of the farm house,, so the Fireview was just a little challenged.. I think I should have just went with the PH to begin with and almost did... in fact when we were at Woodstock my wife liked the looks of the Hybrid over the Fireview , but being the PH was new and the Fireview had a good track record, I chose to see if the Fireview would fit our needs, which I found out almost .. So the PH should heat us well ..
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    I think you have chosen wisely. 2,000 square-feet with a Fireview working a bit too hard just about screams for a PH!
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    There is no question you will get more heat from the Progress. After all, it is a larger stove. As to double the heat, that I would question. As for feeling the difference when in the room with the stove, yes, you will feel more heat from the Progress than with the Fireview. As others have stated, that big glass allows a lot of heat to come out the front.

    As for comparing with the Fireview, I've noticed that most folks who have had or have the Fireview seem to be afraid to make that thing work as it was intended. For example, we have no problem getting our stove between the 600+700 degree mark while others seem to be a bit reluctant to get it over 500 or 550. I see no good reason for that and neither does the man who is responsible for these great stoves.

    My hat is off to Mr Morrissey for not only designing great stoves but also hiring great people both in the building part and the selling part. I've been blessed to have met many of those people and I have not yet met one I did not respect and like.

    Knowing the result of the Fireview and the Progress must makes me that much more excited about the new stove which is being worked on right now. From what little I know of it, that thing really sounds like a winner in many respects. Geeze, now I may have to make another decision on a stove...

    To the OP, Charlie, there is no doubt you will be very happy with your new stove.
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    Good choice. I too would choose the Woodstock over the Cape Cod, having burned both units.
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