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  1. Dune Minister of Fire

    Tree guy wants me to build a processor for him. He brings over a pole saw and says the bar and chain can both be bigger. Assuming this is true, is this thing going to have enough power to be worth the effort of adapting and installing it?
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  2. MotoBoyMatt Member

    joined: Nov 4, 2008
    53 posts
    Wisconsin
    I'm gonna go ahead and say no. It'd be like cutting a 20 inch oak log with a weed eater engine. I am a hydraulic engineer by trade and could do a power analysis if you know the displacement of the saw motor and pressure rating. I suspect it wouldn't be near effective unless you spin it at 100,000 rpm with chain speeds approaching the speed of sound.
  3. Dune Minister of Fire

    Looks like a Freemont, with 3/8" ports. There are some numbers but I have no idea what the displacement is. The pressure is 138 bar.
    I did find what I think is a bigger high speed hydralic motor today, so I may just start from scratch.
    The thing is, even if this little saw took ten times as long as a larger one, it would still be an increase in production for the guy.
  4. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    This confuses me Dune (not really hard to do.;lol). Why would a person want a processor if not for output speed? Using a tiny hydro pole saw for this seems...well...counter productive.
  5. Dune Minister of Fire

    Me too. I guess once a log hits the stop, 20 seconds to cut instead of 2 seconds will still be faster than bucking off a pile of logs on the ground with a gas saw.
  6. Dune Minister of Fire

  7. Dune Minister of Fire

    If it doesn't have a prayer of working, I'll try to do something else, but this is Cape Cod after all.
  8. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
  9. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    I think I just helped your Cape Cod mindset. See above post.
  10. Dune Minister of Fire

    Total joke? OK, that's why I brought the topic here. I don't know jack all about hydraulic chainsaws.
  11. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    I wouldn't really call it a total joke. If he was constantly running 12" or less logs, it may have its place, but for more typical log stock its gonna be a stretch. I would guess that the pole saw could bring a pretty penny on the market. Turn around and put that towards a more favorable hydro motor and then build on..
  12. Dune Minister of Fire

    Any leads on where a decent sized motor could be sourced?
  13. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    To start off, I would try to size up what the processor is going to be dealing with. Size that to comparable processors on the market and then look up the pump that it uses. Keep in mind that behind this motor your gonna need a drive (pump/engine) to match the requirements. Of course you have to figure in all the other drags, such as the splitter itself, the log mover, lifter (if needed), conveyor, blah, blah blah.
  14. Dune Minister of Fire

    Thanks, I realise that, but I am working within the customer's parameters. He still thinks the little one will work, but is willing to sell it and buy a bigger one. He is going to power it with an extra circuit on a boom truck or skid steer.
  15. MotoBoyMatt Member

    joined: Nov 4, 2008
    53 posts
    Wisconsin
    At minimum flow and pressure the horse power would be about 2.5 at max pressure and flow around 8, So it's in the range of decent hand held chainsaw.
    Surpluscenter.com has some reasonable hydraulic parts from time to time
  16. MotoBoyMatt Member

    joined: Nov 4, 2008
    53 posts
    Wisconsin
  17. MasterMech Minister of Fire

    joined: Aug 2, 2011
    4,795 posts
    Hudson Valley NY
    No thoughts of mounting a gas saw on a pivot? Saves an awful lot of fabrication and $$. Lots of smaller processors run this way.
  18. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    The sale of that pole saw would buy a pretty darn nice chain saw and have some bucks left over. Down side is that a hydro saw doesn't need to stop to re-fuel.

    Dune- think about a 2.5hp chainsaw trying to pull a 20-24 bar. It sure would be underwhelming. For a processor, I would probably be looking at a minimum of a 5 hp unit.
  19. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    Is the plan to feed multiple control valves at the processor (in feed, saw, splitter will all need hydro)
  20. Dune Minister of Fire

    Yes.
  21. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    Multi-way wedge with big azz cylinder?
    Do you know the flow rate of the skidder or boom?
    Pressure relief settings?
  22. Dune Minister of Fire

    So it sounds like it would work if it were fed enough juice.
  23. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,309 posts
    Northern Illinois
    Thats why I was asking the questions of flow and pressure above.
  24. Dune Minister of Fire

    Still working on getting the exact specs.
  25. Dune Minister of Fire

    The flow for the skid steer is 19.1 gal/min. Havn't determined pressure yet. The flow should be effective for what he wants.

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