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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Lisa*Ann, Feb 28, 2011.

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  1. Mt Ski Bum

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    Her husband won't let here do anything to the fireplace, plus I'm not sure if there's an insert that's approved for a see-through fireplace.

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  2. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    We have seen some insert installations in 2 sided fireplaces that have worked out well. But we should remember that these folks are on a very tight budget. The suggestions for replacement ZC fireplaces, Blaze Kings, etc. are budget busters in this case. These folks need simple, affordable solutions.
  3. snowtime

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    Hard to keep up with this thread. I was only gone a day.
    As hasbeen stated your stove instructions will tell you clearances so read that before you do anything. Thats to make sure you make no mistakes you do not want to tear out some partially finished project.
    One more word on your placement for the stove. I know your husband is dead sent against it but the fireplace is the way to go and cheaper. Also your still going to lose a lot of heat up that chimney. If you try to burn it while the stoves going it will suck all the heat out of the room. Open chimneys are heat killers.
    Your husband is dead set against it but I bet if it was ever done he would love it. I promise to not bring it up again just wanted you to know it would be a sweet setup.
    The Englander 30 is a steel stove so you could cook on it in a pinch. Some here even cook inside their stoves check some of the threads.

    As stated a few pages back we are prepers and have been for 40 years. Those who do not understand always jump to the wrong conclusion.
    All worst case scenarios happen it's just when. Whether its flood, fire, storms, earthquake, layoff etc something is going to happen. When a person accepts that then he or she is empowered. There is no worry just the motivation to be prepared. It also gives one the power to help your friends and neighbors in a time of trouble.
  4. humpin iron

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    Lisa welcome, you seem to be a smart chick and willing to do your homework. Get your stove, STUDY the installation guide. You MUST install the way the mfg tested the stove to be installed. There will be very specific measurements for how far the stove must be from the wall -etc. There is more to a proper hearth than just putting bricks done. And don't go with ever anywho that just gives the best price. Try to get someone that is certified by a recognized agency, NCSG, NFI etc. There are alot of carpenters in the world the ones that build pianos don't frame houses, but there both called carpenters. GOOD LUCK, seems your off to a very good start.
  5. Lisa*Ann

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    Well, had a guy come over today to give me a quote on installation, I"ll get the quote tomorrow. He did tell me that if I want to put it in the corner, I need to buy the optional side panels........an extra $95.00 from the manufacturer, but worth it I guess so I can put it where I want it.

    I think he said that I have to go up 25 feet, so it's going to be an expensive deal here. Talked to my mom about it and she said she was going to help us out with this, so that's another blessing right there.
  6. Lisa*Ann

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    Man, you said it! I prep so I can be in control of my situation when the you know what hits the fan. We moved up here from florida and one year in florida we got hit with a hurricane and lived without power and water for 2 weeks in over 100 degree heat. I thought I"d loose my mind and decided that we need to figure out how to live without electricity because it will go out, I just don't know when. I also believe that civil unrest will come to this country soon, and we are preparing for that also, stocking up on everything that we need to be self sufficient during difficult times ahead. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. The natural disasters are also serious factors, the new madrid fault line, solar flares, EMP's, pole shift, and there is a huge comet that has now been confirmed that might possibly hit earth sep-oct of this year. Not a definite hit, but might. Things like this.

    To tell the truth, I love prepping! I love trying to figure out how I'll do this and that without electricity, shopping, doctors, and modern conveniences......it's like a hobby! It also helps you to sort out what's important and what's not.
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    Is his quote going to be for an interior (going up through the house) or exterior flue?
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    Yea, inside the house, up through the 2nd floor and through the roof.
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    Sit down when he calls. Expect the estimate will be about twice the cost of the stove.
  10. BrotherBart

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    Yep. A safe chimney costs the same for a seven hundred dollar stove as it does for a five thousand dollar stove. If the chimney isn't right for either one they won't perform well, or could burn the joint down.

    Don't cheap out on the chimney. You saved a ton on the stove.
  11. Woody Stover

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    Now I'm bummed. I doubt that my new soapstone stove will withstand a comet hit. I should've gotten double-wall iron, like an Alderlea.
    :lol:
    We're a lot closer to the New Madrid seismic zone than you are. On a positive note, I'm thankful that we're only in the "ruinous" zone, and not the "disatrous."
    :eek:hh:
    Let's not even mention the Yellowstone super-volcano... :bug:
    I should never have started listening to Art Bell, sixteen or whatever years ago...

    Seriously, congrats on the great stove deal. May you enjoy many years of soothing, uneventful heat. :)
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    You don't sleep well do you? ;) Instability in Oil prices is reason enough for me. Of course.. unrest in the middle east=higher oil=higher food and energy prices= poor economy... etc etc etc.. At least I know I can be warm even if I can't afford food and drive to work anymore... and I have the bonus of not having to run my genarator all night when I lose power.

    As someone who seems to be looking at things in a practical matter... You really should look at using yoru existing chimney. Perhaps the new chimney quote will help change your husband's mind.
  13. Mt Ski Bum

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    hey! I live like 40 miles from that thing! :lol:
    I think that means I'm in the instant-kill zone... :gulp:
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    Eat dessert first!
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    i would really consider putting it where the old stove is purely for economics and heat distribution. the limited income and price issues should outway the old i want it in the corner idea, from the looks of things and your location if you put it in the middle.....where i might add you also may not need additional piping.....you would have such great heat distribution......anyway, just my 3 cents.....one other thing, i think husbnd will love it once it is there also
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    If it were my house I'd use the existing hearth, but either way could work for you. However - I built my hearth based on typical male logic - it goes in the middle of the house to give the best heating. But takes up most of the living room. I'm now getting ready to move my chimney, remove my tile hearth and build a new one, and put the stove in a corner where it will fit better. So make sure you both agree on these things first; the second time is easier but not more fun!

    I agree on the heat distribution, but I'm not so sure about the economics of it. I have prob. the same height chimney as Lisa*Ann, mine was about $600 for all materials (triple-wall Class A, double-wall stove pipe & damper, ceiling box, chimney cap, flashing, etc.) and another $200 for the hearth but I went overkill. Mine was also built to specs for an Englander 30, R-1.5 hearth and same on the back wall. How much would it cost to line the existing chimney? At least with the new one, you can choose where it goes; and don't need to try and fit the stove into a specific place, remove existing fireplace, and remove or modify walls and support posts, etc. That said, I think the pic of the Avalon (?) with the fireplace removed was pretty good-looking with the brick hearth, and that location would make for easy heating. I just don't know if there's a huge cost or labor difference between the options.

    Oh and just curious - what's a "prepper"?
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    I didnt have time 2 read the whole thread but here is my 2 cents worth.

    lowes sells summerheat stoves made by englander and sometimes has a end of season clearance sale every feb.
    two years ago, I picked up a new summerheat which is an englander 30 new for $500.oo at lowes end of season clearance. They had 2 stoves in stock at the time but I had to do a computer search of the different lowes stores in conn. to find the lowes that had them.

    The only difference between the summerheat is chrome trim and the englander is imitation gold trim , otherwise they are the same stove made in the same factory

    do your chimney yourself if the roof is not too steep, but read the rules of chimneys instalations first, before buying any parts.
  18. snowtime

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    A prepper is someone who prepares for emergencies such as Hurricanes, flood or just a layoff etc. A beginner might have 3 days worth of food in their house an experienced prepper is usually trying to make their home self sufficient for a period of time usually around a year.
    Preppers know that emergencies happen and its good to be ready. Sometimes it allows you to help someone in need.
    Prepping is fun and empowers one. It means you have discovered the possible dangers in your area and are trying to get to the point that you feel confident you can outlast the incident. Power outages would not effect us as we are off grid but what if someone looses power for weeks. Would be nice to have a plan.
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    Lisa*ann , I know your husband is dead against using the fireplace as the spot for your stove but, bottom line it would be a heck of a lot more affordable if you did. Beside if he want's to cook on an open flame---- it's called a barbecue . By a cheap barby and he can cook all he want's outside . ;-P
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    You know that thing that hangs out with the salt shaker? ... Yeah that's it the prepper shaker!

    Or I'm a prepper, you're a prepper wouldn't you like to be a prepper too? Hey Dr. Prepper, Hey Dr. Prepper..

    Ray
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    With all due respect, how does one prep for this except to keep up with your yoga so you are flexible enough to kiss your *** goodbye.
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    Maybe time shifting LOL :lol:
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    stockpile ground-to-space nucular missiles? :)
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    Comet Honda-(that's really it's name). Cruising bye by about .6 AU. That's like really, really far.
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