I probably can't have this, but want it.

DJS-1 Posted By DJS-1, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:44 AM

  1. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    We're moving in about a month, and a key issue for me is what to do about the fireplace situation. For the last 7 years we have really enjoyed our wood Jotul insert. It's hands down been the house improvement we've ever made. The new house has a good quality (forgot the brand off the top of my head) gas insert in a standard wood fireplace opening. The new house is also a lot nicer - with a plenty more surface area to dust. Prepping our current house to sell really gave me a feeling for just how much soot permeates a home, and I'm leery of starting this in the new house.

    But going gas only in the new place, and giving the Jotul to new owners, is not an option for me, unless they specifically want it. Most people in our area would not even understand what a wood burning insert is, and wonder where the remote is. It would likely end up on the street, and that would be tragic.

    My thought was, why can't I put a small gas burner in the Jotul, made out of some durable steel? I could run that part time, use it to start logs in the coldest months, and have the benefit of gas year round, with the option to still burn 2-3 FCs of wood during Dec - Feb.

    I realize there are a lot of things to solve here. First - making this safe. Second - getting anyone one to even consider making this kind of modification. But it should not impossible. A fabrication shop could easily build a burner, and run a gas line outside of the firebox. (Probably from the bottom for lowest temps.) A gas fireplace/furnace technician should be able to connect that to a thermocoupler, valve, and existing gas line.

    I've searched high and low for any real advice/information on this and get very little. So fire away - pun intended. Poke some holes in the concept. I really would appreciate any advice or cautionary tales. Thanks!
     
  2. Slow1

    Slow1
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 26, 2008
    2,671
    286
    Loc:
    Eastern MA
    I don't know - but I imagine your insurance company may have a hard time insuring such a device, especially being homeowner designed etc. Even if it were 'perfectly safe' good luck convincing an underwriter of this. I'd check both with insurance company and your local code enforcement folks before spending much time/money/effort on the project as you may find they are less than supportive.
     
    Backwoods Savage likes this.
  3. Lewisthepilgrim

    Lewisthepilgrim
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Oct 5, 2011
    62
    0
    Loc:
    East Kingston NH
  4. blades

    blades
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 23, 2008
    2,342
    624
    Loc:
    WI, Milw
    Jotul makes gas fired units, perhaps a retrofit is in order.
     
  5. Beer Belly

    Beer Belly
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Oct 26, 2011
    2,024
    724
    Loc:
    Connecticut
    before you put it out on the street....drop it in my driveway;)
     
    mfglickman likes this.
  6. eclecticcottage

    eclecticcottage
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Dec 7, 2011
    1,794
    343
    Loc:
    WNY
    So....you plan on taking out the Jotel in your current home and installing it in the new one? Are you replacing it in the current house with something?

    I could swear I've heard of such a thing before (a gas wood hybrid) but maybe I'm just thinking of the gas assist ones (that use gas to help light the wood). If they do exist, I'd just sell the Jotel and buy one. Otherwise, I think you need to choose if you want gas or wood.

    Have you looked at the fireplace and flue at the new house to be sure you can even put a wood insert in it?
     
  7. Waulie

    Waulie
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Aug 31, 2011
    1,011
    272
    Loc:
    Nothern Lower Michigan
    I stayed at a cabin this fall that had a fireplace with a gas starter. It was interesting.

    Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to figure that out, get it installed, and upgrade the chimney to be able to burn wood, just to burn a cord a year?
     
  8. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    Thanks. Yes. I would likely not replace it with anything at the old house, and the new house does have the right flue/chimney for a wood burner.

    This really does seem to be an either/or choice, doesn't it? Maybe I just need to learn how to dust and vacuum better.
     
  9. eclecticcottage

    eclecticcottage
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Dec 7, 2011
    1,794
    343
    Loc:
    WNY
    We have a air purifier filter thingy that seems to help a lot. I actually find the Cottage less dusty than the Old House, and the Cottage has wood heat vs the Old House's gas stove heat.
     
  10. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    heh heh! - well, I'm trying hard to prevent that scenario from happening.
     
  11. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    Good idea. Hadn't tried the air purifier. My new house will only be about 15 min. from Lake Ontario near Rochester.
     
  12. Tramontana

    Tramontana
    Burning Hunk 2.
    NULL
    

    Oct 23, 2012
    198
    117
    Loc:
    Wheat Ridge, Colorado
    One point of advice I would offer is to make certain you list your insert as a line item exclusion in the selling agreement.

    The buyer might otherwise think it is an integral part of the house, inclusive of their offer.

    Cheers and good luck.
     
  13. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    Postscript - So we received a pretty compelling offer with a fast close on Saturday. Even though we indicated "Seller would like to keep fireplace insert" in the sellers agreement, the buyer specifically called out the Jotul and my woodpile as part of the deal. (I had about 2 FCs of basswood left over from last year from a neighbor's fallen tree)

    This is the only offer we've had, and I'm going to take it, even if it means giving up wood heat for a season. In a way, the insert actually helped sell the house.

    Thanks for the advice, everyone, and I'll gladly take some suggestions for new inserts. We'll have a big room to heat in the new place, so the bigger the better.
     
  14. EatenByLimestone

    EatenByLimestone
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jul 12, 2006
    5,635
    587
    Loc:
    Schenectady, NY
    If they want the basswood, make them pay extra!

    *snicker*

    It's awesome that you got an offer so quickly. Most do not.

    Matt
     
  15. mfglickman

    mfglickman
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 17, 2012
    676
    155
    Loc:
    NW CT
    Someone on another (unrelated) board just posted that they purchased a house with 2 fireplaces "wired for gas" but that were also usable for wood, according to the home inspector and seller. To me, mixing the two sounds like a scary idea....but I guess it's possible?

    If it were me I'd take the Jotul and sell the gas unit in the new house...deal with the dust. :)

    ----

    ETA Congrats on your offer!!!!
     
  16. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    LOL! They're from Florida, and this seasoned basswood looks a lot like oak right now. I'm keeping quiet.
     
  17. nola mike

    nola mike
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Sep 13, 2010
    617
    86
    Loc:
    Richmond/Montross, Virginia
    Sounds like it's going to (staying in?) a good home at least.
     
  18. Tramontana

    Tramontana
    Burning Hunk 2.
    NULL
    

    Oct 23, 2012
    198
    117
    Loc:
    Wheat Ridge, Colorado
    Congrats on such a quick sale. It is good to hear the market is improving a bit.

    Good luck with your move, and new stove purchase.

    Cheers!
     
  19. DJS-1

    DJS-1
    New Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Nov 12, 2012
    17
    1
    Thanks, and yes, it is going to a good home. It also saves me the trouble and expense of two fireplace removals, and a re-installation around the time of the move.
     

Share This Page