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I scored my first Elm today

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by SolarAndWood, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. Evil Dave

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    It looks like Siberian aka Chinese Elm to me, I've got two of them down and cut in my yard right now. I have a woods full of Oaks, Ash, Hickory and more black walnut than I would like. I don't think it's Walnut. Everything from the bark, the grain, the leaves, the weight/wetness and the final tell . . . . give it a sniff and see if it faintly resembles Cow P!$$.

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  2. SolarAndWood

    SolarAndWood Minister of Fire

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    Did that when I split that round this morning and no smell of effluent. But, I hope your right as there was one big straight log in that tree. I even remarked to the tree guy what nice grain it had after he noodled a round.
  3. Corriewf

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    Maybe these pics will help some more...

    http://www.twistedoaksawmill.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=72


    I really like this thread:


    http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7920
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  5. Evil Dave

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    Nope, black walnut trees have a sure sign . . . . walnuts. mine are Siberian Elm and I'm thinking that's what he's got ahold of I've lived with the darn spring buds coating my deck and spa cover for 17 years now. I worked in a lumber yard working hardwood for 5 summers I know walnut trees, especially the ones throughout my yard and woods . His leaf isn't straight like walnut tang and it's still a green leaf. Most walnuts have dropped 99% of their leaves by this time a year around here anyway. Siberian Elm doesn't split like American Elm, nor burn quite as well either. It is a decent burning wood though.
  6. Corriewf

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    A lot of walnut trees don't produce nuts.. Up to you what you want to believe. ;)
  7. savageactor7

    savageactor7 Minister of Fire

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    Just shocked to hear this is your first elm tree is all.
  8. SolarAndWood

    SolarAndWood Minister of Fire

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    Do these help sort this out? They were noodled out of rounds 24-28" in diameter.

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  9. SolarAndWood

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    I may have had one before and not known it. I rarely get to see the tree standing and usually anything smaller than 6" in diameter along with the leaves is gone as well.
  10. Jags

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    I am completely confused! The grain of that wood screams black walnut, but the leaves do not support it. The leaves suggest elm. The leaves of a black walnut are exactly opposite of each other from the stem. Yours are not.

    See black walnut leaf pic:

    Edit - could you post a pic of a split. Elm will commonly have a wavy grain to it (but not always). Oh, and for the record, I like burning elm - thats how I get my revenge on it. :vampire:

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  11. SolarAndWood

    SolarAndWood Minister of Fire

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    Splits in the background are not from this tree.

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  12. elijah

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    Seriously, this looks exactly like the chinese or siberian elm I brought home over the weekend. The grain, the bark, and the leaves. Identical.
  13. Jags

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    Hmmmm...one thing I CAN say is that I have NEVER seen elm with that straight of grain. I still am not sure. The leaves don't appear to be walnut, but every thing else does. I GOT IT, its an elmnut.

    Pic of elm:

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  14. Danno77

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    That ain't pretty. None of it is like that. Not even the limb wood. It all splits nice and straight.
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    The grain defanitely screams Bl Walnut, find a small branch (1/8 to 3/8") and snap it in half, if the pith is hollow it's most likely Walnut.

    Oh.....What exactl is "The Beast"???
  17. SolarAndWood

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    Name compliments of Zap. Design and build by my late FIL, God bless his soul. Conversion from 4 cyl Wisconsin out of a Bobcat to 5hp electric is on me.

    Not sure where the twig with the leaves went, but that was the only thing that small I had.

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    in pictures the colors of both Black Walnut and the elm we are discussing look very similar. You have the lighter wood on the outside, and the dark heartwood. In person you should notice more of a brownish tint to the Chinese Elm and more of a greyish tint to the Black Walnut. When split and it starts to dry you should notice that the Chinese Elm really gets a smooth butterscotch kinda color to it (the heartwood at least).

    The bark on the chinese elm should be pretty thick in comparison to the black walnut. The smell should be a dead giveaway. I found that my Chinese Elm didn't have a whole lot of smell to it when I split it unless I stuck my nose down to the fresh split wood. When you are splitting black walnut, everybody within a block will know it by the smell.
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    I had an entire petrified tree that split like that. Worst thing I have ever seen. Some of it was so bad that it was unstackable. But...when it got good and dry, you could hear it explode into flames.
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    I don't know what wood it is . . . but like Jags I have to say the leaves say "I'm an elm" but the grain and splitting characteristics say "I'm something else entirely." Schitzophrenic wood? ;)
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    lol, I know it's not necessarily posted there (because I WAS wondering what I had at the time), but I later got good confirmation from leaves, the internet, and a local nature nut that hangs out at the library all the time. One thing I know is that what was in my pictures isn't walnut at all. Black walnut I know better than most anything else because it's something like half of what I've been burning for the past three years (ok, 1/2 might be a slight exaggeration, maybe 1/3...)
  24. CJRages

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    More proof this is Siberian elm... compare the picture above with this of Walnut.

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    And this of Siberian elm.

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    Source: http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/trees/eb38-2.htm
  25. Corriewf

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    Problem is that black walnut leaves can alternate too..

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