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  1. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    I thought i was doing just fine but come to find out my rutland thermo is 100 to 150 degrees higher then my ir gun and i have tested the ir gun and it is like spot on.
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  2. blujacket Feeling the Heat

    joined: Oct 2, 2008
    483 posts
    Dayton,Ohio
    Yep, those Rutland's give an idea, but are always off. I have one and it's the same. If I want to know for sure, I use my IR
  3. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    I had been wondering why i have not been getting much secondary's on a consistent basis now i know why.
  4. Backwoods Savage Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 14, 2007
    24,170 posts
    Michigan
    Next time try a condar thermometer. Ours (2) is going into the 6th season and are still good.
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  5. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    Yeah my probe made by Condar works great i think ill give there other thermometers a try.
  6. remkel Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 21, 2010
    1,433 posts
    Southwest NH
    I just bought a new Rutland. It is over 100 degrees off, to the low side. Luckily I have the ir to double check things.
  7. etiger2007 Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 8, 2012
    1,034 posts
    Clio Michigan
    My Condar medallion is dam accurate
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  8. MnDave Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 11, 2012
    311 posts
    My Rutland Burn Indicator is pretty close to my IR handheld within say 20F.

    If you turn it over there is a tab on the end of the bimetalic spring. I pushed on that tab a little and it moved the needle a fair amount. I am not sure but maybe you can tweek these if they get off. If it is so far off that you are about to toss it then maybe give this a try.

    MnDave
  9. ohlongarm Minister of Fire

    joined: Mar 18, 2011
    703 posts
    Northeastern Ohio
    Glad this thread is here,the other night I thought my BK was at 900* when actually it was 750*when I checked it next day with my IR my Rutland is off about 150* would the fact it's 8 years old have anything to do with it?
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  10. MnDave Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 11, 2012
    311 posts
    Heat and time can stress relieve various metals. That could be causing it to go out of calibration.
    Mn
  11. Todd 2 Feeling the Heat

    joined: Sep 17, 2012
    274 posts
    Dellroy, OH ( Atwood Lake )
    I had the same bad luck with the rutlands Corey, Ive cooked my condar's for 4 years at 600 to 700 deg on the steel stove, put them on the new stove and been IR gunning alot and they are still within 5 - 10 deg accurate.
  12. wkpoor Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 30, 2008
    1,843 posts
    Amanda, OH
    I posted today about using IR guns to check your magnetic spring indicator. If your not holding the gun close it will surely read less temp. Hold it within 6" of the stove for best accuracy. As you back up the sensed area gets bigger and themp is an average of the whole area. Your spring ind. is feeling whats right under it. My guess there isn't as many bad ones out there as is bering reported. I have 3 Rutlands, all 10+ yrs old that read fine.
  13. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,949 posts
    Northern Virginia
    Same experience here wk. One thing missed is that there is a lag time with the mag thermos. While you are hitting it with the IR the mag is working on getting there.
  14. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    That is how i measured it and i also backed out a bit I even done a reading 1 inch away.

    Yeah i could notice the lag when comparing. I should mention i am still measuring all my stove temps on the sides my stove top is still reading cooler.
  15. Corey Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 19, 2005
    2,009 posts
    Midwest
    I guess it would partly depend on how you checked the IR gun. You'll get substantially different readings on a flat black surface vs shiny steel vs glass vs paint vs wood, etc. They also roughly average the temp in the field of view and/or do some other funky things sometimes.

    I had a guy come into work a few years ago and point his laser IR gun at a 2" shiny steel pipe 30 feet away. "That is cold, no steam there!" he exclaimed as the laser dot hit the pipe. After some discussion about field of view, emissivity of various surfaces, how the laser dot only shows the center of a 'field of view' not a precise measurement point, he made the climb up to the pipe and found it was very much alive with steam!
  16. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    Wow 30 feet away i would think he was reading room temp mine list a max of 100 inches i think for the sensing field but then that would be more of air temp.

    But i am still confused about how my stove top readings are cooler then the sides of the stove. Or is it because the baffle is preventing heat to rise.
  17. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    I forgot to mention that my glass stays cleaner then before i got the IR

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