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Is this Elm?

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by doubledip, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. oldspark

    oldspark Guest

    The black walnut around here looks just like what is in the picture, dark when fresh cut or split.

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  2. jlove1974

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    last time I burned Walnut, my Bro-in-law, who used to work in furniture said:
    "I can't BELIEVE you are burning this beautiful wood"
    I told him "welp it ain't making any more nuts cut up into rounds and I don't need a rifle stock, what else is
    it good fer? "
    LOL

    It makes nice coals when mixed up with Oak and Ash
  3. jlove1974

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    look at the pics just posted of when it was being sanded. purple-brownish, just like I was describing
  4. oldspark

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    You posted it was not dark until cured, I said it was dark when fresh cut.
  5. smokinj

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    The too purplish is dry under 8 percent the dark is fresh cut. Pick one and two are cut with pic's the same day. Last to was done with a mm by my father under 8 percent. In the furnace room for 5-6 months
  6. chinkapin_oak

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    You have American Elm.

    Red Elm is heavy, and fairly easy to split. It's only slightly stringy.
  7. Duetech

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    I burned bl walnut for 3 years (rejects froma saw mill with metal in them). Burned red elm too. Walnut spits fairly easy but red elm can work a hyd splitter until you sweat. That's black walnut. The outer ring on fresh cut walnut will appear white most times (exception is usually long dead wood). Logs with moisture can show a white ring up to a couple years. Least wise in my part of the country. 20 Mllion btu per cord. Red elm 22 million. Red oak 24 million. But then who's countin when the stuff is homless? It's agood grab!
  8. doubledip

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    No leaves to be had, the wood is piled up in a municipal yard. That’s why I asked for ID help.

    On the other hand I have seen a live Black Walnut tree on a property I was selling. The leaves and bark closely resemble an Ash tree in my opinion but the splits that I posted seem to have much deeper grooves in the bark and as far as the coloring of the heart wood it seemed kind of dull like a chocolate shake unlike the split Jay posted which has a defined grain much like Oak.

    I may be wrong but I still think its Elm???
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    Gotcha. Thanks. Learn something new every day...
  10. oldspark

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    The red elm we have around here is NOt easy to split by any means.
  11. oldspark

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    If that is elm its the best looking elm I have ever seen.
  12. smokinj

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    lol I think that is oak Pic that I posted and I mark the Pic as oak. Just didnt look at title until this post. You would be 100 percent correct that split is OAK!



    "quads white oak" This is the title of that pic.
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    Doubledip, how much elm have you ever cut or split?


    I do not mean to sound dishonorable, but it is amazing to me how new folks tend to go away from others who have a little bit more experience on things new to them. I will say this: if that is elm, it is the prettiest elm I've ever seen and I wish I had about 100 acres of them. I'd show those guys just what elm was worth!
  14. doubledip

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    Only smaller limbs in the four to five inch range of American Elm.

    Evidently I’m wrong on my assumption based on the giant Elm I seen taken down in Ferndale.

    Walnut it is! Now I can go back to making tea cups… LOL
  15. Backwoods Savage

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    Well have a cup of tea on me! I hope it tastes great. My wife loves tea but I've never been a fan of it.
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    Sir, I may be new to this forum, but I am by no means new to wood. I worked at a sawmill for 2 years and I have probably cut and handled more Walnut and Red Elm than most people here on this forum have in their entire lives. Have any of you even seen Red elm before in real life, or are you relying on your experience with American Elm, or simply your internet ego?

    What Doubledip has is indeed Red Elm, also known as Slippery Elm, and is heavier and much easier to split than American Elm. I suggest taking it to a sawmill or a professional tree service to verify this. Don't rely on the recreational cutters here who's jobs do not require them to correctly identify tree species.

    Attached is 2 pictures of some Red Elm I have waiting to be split. Identification has been verified by me, and the tree service I received it from, as Red Elm. Notice the similar colored heartwood, bark, and the thin sapwood just like what you see in Doubledip's pictures? It is NOT walnut.

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    +1
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    That is DEFINITELY Slippery or Red Elm.Narrow sapwood,deep reddish-brown color in heart & I'll bet it has a pleasant (I think) odor that reminds you of cinnamon? Dont have much of it left around my place,only a few scattered smaller trees that so far havent succumbed to Dutch Elm Disease & Phloem Necrosis.Over the past 29 yrs I've cut quite a bit of it standing dead from both parent's property & their neighbors 60 acres of timber,before the neighbor's estate sold & I lost my permission to cut whenever I wanted.Only see a couple or so dead ones a year now,still some left for the time being thankfully.The first log I milled with my Alaskan mill was a huge Red Elm,standing dead about 1 yr when I discovered it on neighbors place less than 200 ft from parents property line in fall 1993.That thing was massive,the biggest Red Elm I've seen before or since - It was at the top of a hill,just towered over everything else nearby.

    I got 6 pickup loads of fuel just from the tops & branches,the main trunk was 29" at stump,24" dbh & was clear of branches for 20 feet.Managed to get almost 200 board feet of 1",1 1/2" & 2 1/2" planks.Plus another 30 board feet or so of short thick blocks & chunks from the larger tops that were cut with band saw for woodturning projects.I still have probably 1/2 my original supply,that stuff works quite nicely with sharp cutters & blades,hardly any tear-out or fuzzing of the fibers. I have some pics,will dig them out soon & post when I can.
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    Internet Ego Baby! I know Nothing..............Two years at a saw mill you should know its firewood....Unless someone in the area has an Alaskan mill and then your giving them the wood. Buy a clue its at best a good hobby log! local tree service or sawmill to prove its firewood.....lol REALLY!
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    I would not rule out slippery elm as a possibility which can be split by hand fairly easily (not shred) like American elm and has a large dark heartwood much like walnut and dries extremely fast (6 months). I can get the hottest temperatures on my stove with this wood. One tell tale sign it is slippery elm is when it dries the wood checks with very wide gaps when walnut checks its similar to mulberry.

    IMO the bark nor the heartwood does not appear to be dark enough for black walnut and I have burned plenty of walnut before as it is a very common tree around here.
  21. doubledip

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    That is an exact match... Red Elm it is!!! Thanks, Ed
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    Jay called it Internet ego. Of course I am a bit new at this so I will bow to your superiority....Sir. :roll:
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    If chinkapin_oak said he is sawing Red Elm in droves then there must be a good reason for it, that is beyond hobby and crafting.

    Its actually a beautiful wood when refined.

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    LOL Not knocking the red elm......I am Say that log hes got is not worth big money at best a hobby guy would love to have it.(red elm or walnut) running to the saw mill with it your not going to get rich......Nor would they want to even run it!
    Will Not make the grade for the furniture you posted BIG BIG Difference.......Hobby Log And I would love to have it....
  25. chinkapin_oak

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    What's wrong, children? don't like being proven wrong, or has the internet gotten the best of you? ;)
    Moving on...

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