Just Put Deposit on Quad Sante Fe Insert

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offingmoot

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Jul 15, 2008
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Central/South Jersey
I want to thank everyone here for their help and info along my quest to quench my houses thirst for oil
Purchased from The Wood Stove and Fireplace Center in Oakhurst NJ
$2199 stove
$172 panel
$129 Nickel door trim
$175 tax
$2675 total
saving 3% for paying cash = $2594.75
$550 4"liner
$750 labor
$3981 grand total
this includes installing an oak
$299/ton for Energex pellets, the installer is delivering the ton with the stove
 
i sure will!!!
 
When is it coming? Did they have it in stock?
 
Just reading/learning. I use wood.

The price looks good, and I didn't know pellet requires "only" a 4" chimney. I suppose that saves some over the cost of the 6" liner needed for wood stove or insert.

You didn't list any chimney insulation, are you not using, or is it not required/recommended for pellet applications? If so, another capital cost savings of using pellets over wood.

Enjoy. And save too if you'll be reducing use of oil heat.
 
you are right 6" for wood 4" for pellet
i do not need any insulation just the liner and i am all set
the story i got was my dealer preordered before the season so quad supposedly has one waiting for him, should be in next week and install scheduled for 8/18..not bad for a 7/31 order
i will believe it when i see it!!!
 
Congratulations on the purchase on the purchase of your new stove. I hope it works out for you and enjoy it for many years.
I earnestly hope you will be more satisfied than I have been with my Sante Fe.

Here is a review I posted at other sites.
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Pros: Looks nice; good heat on high setting (when it works); easy to use; three fan settings.

Cons: Only high fan setting produces appreciable heat; tempermental/high maintenance; feeder system can jam; doesn't start---why? Must be vacuumed/swept/cleaned every couple of days, even with premium pellets; the pellet adjustment mechanism bar [located in the hopper] blocks pellets on right side from feeding into chute. Ash falls outside the ash drawer.

My name is Ed. I live in Natick, MA. My wife and I bought the Quadra-fire Santa Fe insert from Natick Fireplace in April 2008. I was not there when they installed it; my wife took the day off from work for the install.

She wasn't pleased with the attitude of the installers. She said they didn't take any time to educate her, but installed it, gave her a CD and user manual and left. Later, when I contacted the dealer with questions, they would ask me (more than once) "Well, did you watch the video?"

In New England, April is still cold, so we used the stove almost immediately. Instead of using the wall thermostat that is provided, we paid extra for the semi-programmable portable thermostat with power-on/off functionality. We noticed with a couple of days that the temperature wasn't consistent. One day it differed from the house thermostat by one degree, another day by two degrees, and still on other days by as much as three degrees. I contacted the dealer and asked them to swap out the thermostat. The dealer said come to the store and pick it up. We had the unit for less than a week and Natick Fireplace's attitude was "Do it yourself." Oh, the replacement thermostat didn't work any better.

Through April, May, and early June of 2008, we noted how the unit was quirky. Some days it started; other days it wouldn't start for who knows why.

I want to make it clear that I have been relentless at keeping the unit clean. I clean the fire pot daily. Every couple of days I clean the ash try, remove the bricks and clean behind them and clean around the air tubes. I use Barefoot premium pellets.

We stopped using it in early June 2008 once the days turned warm. We started using it in October. We noted the same minor quirks/issues as we did in the spring.

As the days grew colder we noted how the unit couldn't heat the main part of the house unless it was on high fan. In the spring as the days grew longer and warmer, we hadn't noticed this.

I finally called Quadra-fire in December 2008 and had an interesting conversation with a support rep who knew nothing about baselines, BTU's, or anything that wasn't in his own user manual. He wound up sending me tech specs that were just the same thing in the user manual. In short, it appears the unit doesn't put out the BTU's claimed.

The patterns continued until January 2009 when the stove finally wouldn't start at all. The pellets weren't feeding. We could hear some mechanical clicking. I called Quadra-fire and got a ticket number. I tried calling my dealer who replied a few DAYS later. BTW, both diagnosed the problem as "bad fuel." I told the Quadra rep that we used Barefoot, and she asked, "Is it Pellet Association of America approved?" What!?

BTW, the Quadra support person [like the dealer] kept asking if I had read them manual or watched the video. Didn't matter that I had, they would keep asking. I also told them how the black & white pictures in the manual didn't seem to match my insert. For example, I couldn't locate the snap-switches or internal reset switches.
They seemed amused that I dared question the quality of the manuals, video, or the stove.

Well, we made an appt with a service rep from Natick Fireplace ,and once again my wife had the unfortunate duty of being there in my place.

When the "technician" arrived, and looked at the unit, he said, "It's dirty; it needs to be cleaned." Now, my wife can bear witness to how I have tried to keep the unit clean. She asked a few questions and determined the service guy was not referring to what a typical home-owner would feel comfortable doing. When my wife asked how he was going to clean it, the guy replied, "We don't maintain them; we just service them."

The service guy said the feeding mechanism was jammed. (Hmmm. Not bad fuel?) It took him less than 15 minutes. Cost: $150.

Before he left he said the unit should be professionally cleaned after using two tons of fuel Hmmm. The magazines and web articles say the average home owner uses three tons of fuel per year. Do the math.

My wife told me how she tried to watch the service guy. She was amazed that the reset switches were on the back side of the unit. How convenient! Great design for ease of maintenance [not].

A few weeks later I called Chimney Sweeps and asked if they cleaned pellet stoves. Answer was No. They did the connections and they did the flue. So, who cleans the internal pieces of the stove? Total cost to clean the chimney, chimney flue, and pellet-stove related stuff that they normally do: $398.

Hmmm. I bought this thing to save money. It's a money pit.

Well, here it is, the beginning of March 2009. I finally sat down to write this review, because the stove wouldn't start this morning for a few hours even after I cleaned it again.

We're stuck with it, but if we could do it all again, we wouldn't buy a Quad, wouldn't buy the Sante Fe, wouldn't buy from Natick Fireplace, and wonder if we would slap anyone who says how wonderful pellet stoves are.

I have seen plenty of articles saying how wonderful they are. Well, either people aren't telling the whole story, or my wife and I won the lottery whammy: poor dealer, poor manufacturer, and poor unit of a poor model.

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So, that's our story. Again, I hope it works out better for you
 
If you buy a pellet or corn stove with the idea it is going to work like an oil or gas appliance you are wrong. They all require some education, training and trial and error to get the best results. This my first year with a pellet stove and every day I learn something new about it. This particularly applies to the draft, auger and feed rates that get the best results. If you're not a tnkerer or have no mechanical aptitude then you probably would not have good reesults with any pellet stove.
 
Scoop has got it right, pellet stoves are only for a certain type of person. I just went to a customers house last week who loves his Quad CB1200. He said its a little more work than he thought but he keeps it really clean. I pointed out some additional areas he should clean annually and he was going to check those out also. I think he told us at least 10 times how much he likes the stove.

On the other hand there is another customer I have been visiting a lot mostly for a jammed ash clean-out on a Castile. When it starts to get sticky they just ignore it until it gets so bad you can't open it anymore. We are thinking we might have to replace the entire firepot because our showroom display no one really cleans it and the floor still opens smooth on that unit.

Pellet stoves are a lot of work, the people that find cleaning it up and maintaining it themselves enjoyable will also enjoy their stoves. The people who think its a chore to clean the stove will probably not like the stove and have many complaints about it.
 
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