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Post in 'The Inglenook' started by Huntindog1, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. begreen

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  2. Cross Cut Saw

    Cross Cut Saw Feeling the Heat

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    We sell the Chemex on our companies website:
    http://www.wickedjoe.com/java/index.php?page=1&act=viewCat&catId=9
    We've also got all sorts of pour over drip coffee makers similar to the Melita.

    Oh, we also have THE BEST DAMN COFFEE IN NEW ENGLAND! !!!

    I've worked for small to huge companies from Southern California to Maine and everywhere in between and I can tell you, Wicked Joe has a special product, not to mention it's all roasted by me!

    www.wickedjoe.com

    -Joe
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    That's pretty cool Joe. Do you know Jim Stewart from out this way?
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    Cross Cut Saw Feeling the Heat

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    I know some folks down in Oregon, but I can't think of anyone in WA...
  5. Huntindog1

    Huntindog1 Minister of Fire

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    What I have found is that it could be the sugar that people put in coffee thats responsible for cholesterol. As its the high levels of insulin that you trigger , thats responsible for higher cholesterol levels. People on low carb diets usaully have good levels of cholesterol .

    Here is a cut and paste out of an article on the subject:

    My intention here, though, is to remind folks that insulin is massively important in cholesterol homeostasis. Specifically, when insulin is elevated, cholesterol synthesis increases. Certainly other factors play in, but insulin is clearly recognized to play this role. In other words, this is not controversial.
    As mentioned, carbohydrates are the main regulator of insulin levels. When we eat carbohydrates, our blood sugar increases, which causes a release of insulin in order to bring blood sugar back down to a safe level. Refined carbohydrates, like white bread or rice, cookies or soda, cause this elevation of blood sugar and insulin to happen very rapidly. Repeatedly spiking insulin levels (e.g. cereal for breakfast, soda all day and spaghetti every night) can lead to permanently elevated insulin levels, which is associated with almost every chronic illness known to man (heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome, and I am willing to bet also erectile dysfunction). One reason chronically elevated insulin relates to these problems is its stimulatory effect on cholesterol synthesis.
    In terms of a physiological mechanism, the connection between refined carbohydrates and elevated LDL cholesterol is incredibly simple compared to the effects of saturated fats on cholesterol. Next time an “authority” on health is scaring you about saturated fats, take a second and remind yourself of the incredible danger of your beloved carbohydrates.
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    Jim Stewart founded Steward Brothers Coffee here. He still is meeting with coffee growers including some down in Costa Rica. He's very supportive of the shade grown farmers. That's why I asked.
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    Not to dispute this, but we are all individuals. Our body chemistry and genetics play a huge role here. I always drank my coffee black, had a generally low sugar diet and still had high levels. The same was tested even after a few weeks of fasting. So far, eliminating coffee was the only thing that has dramatically dropped my cholesterol levels. Maybe it was a fluke? I'm up for my annual blood test next month so we'll see if the dramatic change is repeatable or not. But this is just my results. I have high cholesterol on both sides so I am genetically predisposed to this condition. Many are not.
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    Specialty Coffee has really changed the way a lot of coffee is grown. The farmers realize that to have a farm that produces quality coffee on an annual basis they have to maintain sustainable practices.

    Programs like Rain Forest Alliance, Smithsonian Migratory Bird Center, and USDA Organic, while expensive to implement often offer a way for a farmer to make more money for his or her crop.

    I took a trip to Nicaragua last January and while you could still see the mass produced lower end coffee grown in direct sunlight, all of the specialty coffee growers were using a canopy of shade.
    January 29 2012 022.JPG
    The coffee in this picture is the smaller dark green shrub looking plant growing down the middle, you can see a worker picking coffee on the left, the coffee plants are pruned to be about 6' tall.
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    The view from a farm in the next town over.
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    And of course their wood fired ovens and stoves... The farm we stayed at was very big and had housing for over 100 workers, they had a large (smoky) cafeteria where they prepared meals for them. In the photo on the left they are about to put wood into an oven of sorts, they get it very hot and then press tortillas into the side, it works like a grill. The next one is what they cook massive pots of soup over, followed by of course their wood piles! I have a feeling it was all green ;).
    January 28th 2012 022.JPG Me before my first cup of coffee...

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    I've been following the Songbird Foundation project and the shade grown coffee movement for the last dozen years or so. A friend of mine worked with Danny O'Keefe on this project. Back then you would have to look hard to find shade grown, local farm coffee unless you knew someone that was importing beans directly from the farms. My hat is off to all the folks that have turned this into a national movement.

    If you love coffee, there are some great articles in the archives of his blog:
    http://www.virtualcoffee.com/may99/may_songbird.html
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    I can say I am a coffee addict. I received 11 lbs of various coffee beans from family/friends/co-workers for christmas. I am a french press girl. I do have a single cup melita filter but I only use that for the really dark roast stuff sometimes, seeing the oil smear on the press freaks me out.
    Everyone wanted to but my that kerig machine - ick. Never had a cup taste anywhere near what it should. Anything that claims to make coffee, tea and hit chocolate all the same way is suspect to me. My coffee is ground when I use it and not in a plastic or refillable cup. Just my preference, plenty if people like them,just not for me.

    I have not had Wicked Joe but will look them up. I am totally spoiled by a coffee roaster right up the street, Homestead Coffee Roasters, so I don't have to go far. My cholesterol has been fine for years. My hubby and I eat/drink pretty much the same thing but he's been on meds fir a few years now. maybe there is something about genetics but god help us if I have to give up coffee, it will be ugly ;)
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    Coffee is an obsession out here in WA state. And I live with a lady that was weaned on coffee. Her family are serious coffee addicts.
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    BeGreen, Your right everyone is genetically different. I saw the info about coffee and cholesterol. I didnt doubt what you said but only wanted to highlight the aspect of refined carbs.

    ABSTRACT



    Objective. —To determine the effect of filtered-coffee consumption on plasma lipoprotein cholesterol levels in healthy men.
    Design. —Randomized controlled trial with an 8-week washout period followed by an 8-week intervention period during which men were randomly assigned to drink 720 mL/d of caffeinated coffee, 360 mL/d of caffeinated coffee, 720 mL/d of decaffeinated coffee, or no coffee.
    Setting. —Outpatient clinical research center in a university medical center.
    Participants. —One hundred healthy male volunteers.
    Outcome Measure. —Changes in plasma lipoprotein cholesterol levels during the intervention period.
    Results. —Men who consumed 720 mL of caffeinated coffee daily had mean increases in plasma levels of total cholesterol (0.24 mmol/L, P=.001), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (0.17 mmol/L, P=.04), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (0.08 mmol/L, P=.03). No significant changes in these plasma lipoprotein levels occurred in the other groups. Compared with the group who drank no coffee, the group who drank 720 mL/d of caffeinated coffee had increases in plasma levels of total cholesterol (0.25 mmol/L, P =.02), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (0.15 mmol/L,P=.17), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (0.09 mmol/L, P=.12) after adjustment for changes in diet.
    Conclusion. —Consumption of 720 mL/d of filtered, caffeinated coffee leads to a statistically significant increase in the plasma level of total cholesterol, which appears to be due to increases of both low-density lipoprotein and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels.(JAMA. 1992;267:811-815)
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    My mother in law perks coffee for me when the family visits her for the weekend or for the holidays, etc.
    Best coffee ever. I love it.
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    Huntindog1 Minister of Fire

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    Here is another bit of info:
    Cafestol
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cafestol is a diterpene molecule present in coffee.
    A typical bean of Coffea arabica contains about 0.6% cafestol by weight. Cafestol is present in highest quantity in unfiltered coffee drinks such asFrench press coffee or Turkish coffee/Greek coffee. In filtered coffee drinks such as drip brewed coffee, it is present in only negligible amounts.
    Studies have shown that regular consumption of boiled coffee increases serum cholesterol by 8% in men and 10% in women. For those drinking filter coffee, the effect was only significant for women.[1]
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    Clinical significance

    Cafestol has also shown anticarcinogenic properties in rats.[1] Cafestol may act as an agonist ligand for the nuclear receptor Farnesoid X receptor andPregnane X receptor, blocking cholesterol homeostasis.[2] Cafestol has also been implicated in inhibiting the progress of Parkinson's disease.[3]
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    See also
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    1. ^ a b National Toxicology Program (NTP): Cafestol (CASRN 469-83-0) and Kahweol (CASRN 6894-43-5) - Review of Toxicological Literature. (PDF)October 1999
    2. ^ Ricketts ML, Boekschoten MV, Kreeft AJ, Hooiveld GJ, Moen CJ, Müller M, Frants RR, Kasanmoentalib S, Post SM, Princen HM, Porter JG, Katan MB, Hofker MH, Moore DD (July 2007). "The cholesterol-raising factor from coffee beans, cafestol, as an agonist ligand for the farnesoid and pregnane X receptors". Mol. Endocrinol. 21 (7): 1603–16. doi:10.1210/me.2007-0133. PMID 17456796.
    3. ^ Trinh K, Andrews L, Krause J, Hanak T, Lee D, Gelb M, Pallanck L (April 2010). "Decaffeinated coffee and nicotine-free tobacco provide neuroprotection in Drosophila models of Parkinson's disease through an NRF2-dependent mechanism". J. Neurosci. 30 (16): 5525–32. doi:10.1523/JNEUROSCI.4777-09.2010. PMID 20410106. Lay summaryNew Scientist.
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    Thanks for the links HD. I hadn't seen that study. Good point, I try to keep refined carbs to a minimum. The articles I've read are more recent. Klag (Johns Hopkins) did the study I was thinking of, but Baylor had a study too.

    "Cafestol, a diterpene present in unfiltered coffee brews such as Scandinavian boiled, Turkish, and cafetière coffee, is the most potent cholesterol-elevating compound known in the human diet."

    http://mend.endojournals.org/content/21/7/1603

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070614162223.htm

    Wish it didn't taste so darn good!
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    I'll check it out, thank you
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    Keep that Hogz dude off that jet fuel. Ya never know what he will get into.;);lol
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    Aw, he doesn't touch the stuff, good thing...he's already a handful! Can't imagine him bouncing off the walls, bing bing bing! That's my job, lol
    One of US is enough within these 4 walls:eek:
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    i wish you luck, hog does seem like he'd be a handful. delighted to "meet you" BTW, welcome to the hearth community. i enjoy chatting with hog, he's quite an interesting dude.
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    Haha! Yes he is, but a good handful anyway...thanks for the Welcome...a warm cozy place to be I see.
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    seems then that my buddy hog is indeed "a lucky man" "ugg-ugg"

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