I'll be frank right up front, I don't want this thread to deteriorate into a blathering argument about animal rights and stuff. What I am looking for is real life experience in how to guarantee a groundhog will come out of the hole so I can kill it with my 12 guage. I'm not lookin' for trappin' methods, poison methods, and/or any other input whatsoever. I only want to know if you have a sure fire, guaranteed way to get the nasty critter up out of the hole so he's subjected to the withering fire of the 12 guage. period! No PETA or animal rights posts/comments needed. thanks.