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Posted By Llamaman,
Dec 1, 2009 at 11:33 PM
just talking list price here, there is always a dolmar dealer doing this kind of stuff. They operate more like a used car dearler.There list price is 799.00 for the 7900
I understand Jay, but at the end of the day we actually buy products at street price, not list price. My point is there's a substantial price difference with the Dolmar, while Stihl and Husky products have street prices which are typically at, or very near, their list prices.
I just bought a Husqvarna 445 46cc 18" bar love this saw. Cut down an 18 " red oak the other day with it. It was like a hot knife through butter. I highly recommend this saw!!
yes and thats a great point, you will get back alot more out of a stihl or husky on the resale...dolmar just needs to get it together.
I like to know where I stand with my investment, not knocking the dolmar but if I ever need to sale for what ever reason I know that it will be close to retail thats a big deal to me. Far as looking at the 3 saws (stihl husky dolmar) "It is what it is" out of the box dolmar will win! This pricing issue with the dolmar is more of a hassle to the everyday consumer and kills them on resale.
Percentage wise, I'm not sure Dolmar loses anything on resale (with the 7900 anyway since it's such as sought after saw), but I completely agree their street pricing varies from dealer to dealer. Although, I'd much rather be able to call around and find a "deal" rather than just have all the dealers stick to the "everyone pays our top dollar fixed price" mentality used by the Stihl and most Husky dealers.
I will say Dolmar's dealer network in general is spotty at best. OTOH, dealers aren't everything (to me anyway), like many of the Stihl cheerleaders will have people believe. In fact, dealing with the Stihl dealers for parts drives my almost insane at times. I'm not the type of person that will bring a saw to a dealer for repair, so local dealer service is completely a non-issue for me. But, I do buy parts for saws I purchase secondhand and many often need repairing. With Dolmar, not only do I have a "local" dealer (although many folks don't), but I can also get any part over the net within 24 hrs if I need it... and that's huge to me. In fact, this is what I dislike most about Stihl more than anything. Yes they have a dealer on every other corner, but they don't stock a lot of stuff and getting parts (at list price of course) can sometimes take more time and require more hassle than I'd like. I love Stihl and I have more of their saws than other brands, but I absolutely hate not being able to get parts from anyone other than my local dealer(s). Some people don't mind driving to a dealer or calling their dealer, sitting on the phone for five or ten minutes while he looks up the part (hoping he's looking at the right item, or arguing about the part number for the IPL your using), takes your CC number for payment, and then having to wait 1 day to weeks for your part to come in. Yes, some Stihl dealers don't do enough volume so your order can sit on a list before an order is ever placed. I'd much rather just look at an IPL online, place my order, select shipping method, and have my part (what I know will be the CORRECT part, not the one some parts kid thinks I might need) delivered to my door in the same time period, or less. Since I buy and sell more Stihl saws than any other, I really wish I could order their parts over the Internet!
Anyway, sorry to get so far OT...
If you want a reliable all purpose small saw MS440. Have the MS660 stashed away for the big stuff.
If the Mrs won't let you aquire 2 models, go the MS460.
Yup, more money than the poulan, dolmar and echo combined. But do you wanna know you can go cut wood, or ya wanna mess around. How many guys you know running Pulan.dolmar.echo's that are 20 yers old???
so your skill level is much highier than most people. Just keeping the chains sharp bar true, and wood to cut is more than enough for me. so far I have had a 290,460,180,260,361 done has never needed anything yet knock on wood in the last 3 years
Wet1; We think alike. For me one of the most important parts of a saw is the main bearings & I see lots of failures on 10 to 15 year old Stihls that don't have German bearings. The China bearings do not last as long. This effectively scraps the saw for most people as these are a job to replce & it is too costly to have a dealer do it. If your piston & cylinder goes just about anybody can replace this. I see lots & lots of 40 year old Stihls that have bearings that are as smooth as new, these were high quality to begin with. Dolmar does not have these issues as the cheaper Stihls & I would gladly do a little parts searching for the higher quality, Randy
There are a lot of Sachs Dolmars running like new that are pushing 30 years old. My 111 runs like a brand new one & I got it 2nd hand after it was used commercially for years. I own a MS440 that I am rebuilding. My MS360 I sold with bad main bearings.
+1 if not the 440 660 combo go 361 460 combo and no need to work on your saw.
You have (or have had) some excellent saws! One of these days you "need" to grab a 066/660 to finish off your collection. Although, I prefer the 064 which will take the 660 P&C or BB P&C with little work... and it weighs about as much as your 460 but have a much better power to weight ratio. Port a bored 064 and do a muff mod and you have as SERIOUS work and play saw!
Purely from my research/investigation of saws here and on AS over the last year, I gotta say that I've not seen, LITERALLY, anyone talking about an old Dolmar as their friend (except the guy above!). I've seen tons of stuff about the 5100, 6400/01, 7900, but that's it. I do see lots of people talking about venerable old Huskies and Stihls (mostly Stihls).
Why don't people seem to collect old Dolmars?
As for price, why can Stihl (and Husky, sort-of) get away with selling stuff for retail?
Also, why do Stihls hold their value better than the others (I've been looking for 6 months on eBay and Craigslist)?
These are just some of the questions I ask when people begin to criticize Stihl pricing/value.
Why are Stihl guy's so worried about the level of service they can get from their dealer? Do they need to drag their saws in for repair that often??? (Ducking and Running... :ahhh: )
I also buy stuff to USE, not to sell, so why the big worry about resale value? I'm not planning on needing to sell my Dolmar so I can buy a new replacement...
You don't hit the forestry forums much I take it./ Stihls hold value very well, I sell a lot of them during winter & they help pay the bills. The big Sachs Dolmar sells for more now than it did when new. If doesn't matter if Sachs or Makita owned Dolmar, this is still a Dolmar saw. Most people haven't had the oportunity to use a Dolmar/Sachs Dolmar & it's difficult to judge something this way. I own an 028WB that is one of the finest small saws ever built. There is a difference between venerable old Huskies & Stihls & what is being offered now as homeowner & mid grade saws, Randy
Its not just saws for me its anything I buy.with that said if for some reason in my case it just not quite what I was looking for I will sale and move on quickly.Not lost any money on the saws over the last 3 years. some day I will not need to cut wood and it will all be for sale some day
next is a 192t or 200t and the 90cc after that 064 is a little hard to come by the 660 I do like alot. The 290 was traded on the 460,180 sold on ebay for list price and the 260 traded on 361 (460 361 I still have)
I have to agree here.
My 290 is well into it's 6th year of "maintenance free" existence (excepting bar and chain maintenance) and it has needed nothing. Not even a new spark plug.
I'm on these forums every day or so, but I think you missed it: I said Stihls do hold their value, and when I went to buy a saw I kept that in mind--not because I was thinking of re-selling it but because, in my experience, the things that keep their value have ALWAYS been the better quality things. For example: Audi vs. Chevy, Rolex vs. Esquire, Montblanc vs. Cross, Proceed vs. Sony, Hearthstone vs. Englander, Stihl vs. Craftsman, Makita vs. Ryobi, Pioneer Elite vs. Phillips. I've owned all these comparisons and though I'm not sure all were "values" (the Rolex was/is ridiculously expensive for a watch, though not compared to Patek, I suppose) the 'better,' more 'intrinsically' valuable pieces ALWAYS performed more reliably and with less care. Do they perform better? Not necessarily (a watch tells time, a car drives around--though my Audi was a whole lot more fun than my Chevy), but statistically they work. And work.
Just my reasoning.
I think bar length is one of the important things to consider. Shorter the bar, the more bending over.
Whatever model, I think a 20" bar is minimum.
Rent or borrow some different models & lengths ones & see what fits you.
Gona have it a long time, & a good one that fits you & your situation will pay dividends.
Mine is 25 years old & a few parts here & there. Still cutting.
You see this in the Craigslist ads as well. The quality pro saws disappear within a day while anything else keeps getting relisted even if they don't want a lot of money for them.
I love "what to buy threads" They always escalate to "you need a 440, 660 ,880. People just love to spend others money.
The O.P. said he just needed a replacement for his old Craftsman, instead of throwing good money after an old worn out moneypit.
Check out this little dude, http://www.toolsnow.com/ryobi-gas-chainsaw.html
There is a long thread over at arboristsite about these little bad boys.
I think there is a consensus this is the same as a Redmax 3800.
They are mag cased and come with a 1 year warranty.
They also take well to a little modding or would serve the O.P. well for what he said he needed.
$100 shipped, think I may get one just to mess with.
mobetter is right, you need an 880. I don't know about needing all three of those, though. Pro'ly wouldn't hurt