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  1. robertjp Member

    joined: Oct 7, 2008
    75 posts
    Western NY
    What difference does it make if the stove is not EPA rated? I have a 700 sq, ft cabin and a 1,000 sq. ft model makes more sense than a 15oo sq. ft model doesnt it? My wife wants to get the Englander sfp12 model but I think that is not EPA rated. Can you explain the EPA thing? thanks

    Also if we bought a stove for a seasonal cabin, would it still qualify for the tax credit?
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  2. Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle Minister of Fire

    joined: May 27, 2008
    3,992 posts
    Ridge, LI, NY
    Go, BB !!!

    :p

    And, no, not yet. I am in conferance with Mike :)
  3. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,922 posts
    Northern Virginia
    Nope. It has to be for a primary residence. If you are looking for a cabin stove most will do fine for you and last a long time with occasional use. Just do not skimp on the installation. You can get as dead in a fire in a cabin as you can in a mansion.

    But the 13-NC is still a better choice over the 12 for any use. And if you can't spend five hundred plus the cost of a safe chimney installation then you need to look at other heating options. Maybe a vented propane heater.

    I cringed as I typed that.
  4. albertj03 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 16, 2009
    535 posts
    Southern Maine

    The EPA certified stoves are designed to burn more effeciently and therefore emmit less pollution into the air from the burning wood. They do this by burning off the smoke and gasses in the baffle system and produce more heat in the process so you use less wood. In a non-epa stove the smoke and gasses just go up the chimney and into the air.
  5. stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 14, 2006
    4,500 posts
    madison hgts. va
    well, you could go this route http://www.overstockstoves.com/50tvl17--epa-certified-noncatalytic-wood-stove--1250171200.html
    newest design (is corie's design) 800-1200 sq ft rated , EPA certified. for a small stove it packs quite a punch, i gotta hand it to our young stove designer , the man can make some friggen heat!
  6. tickbitty Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 21, 2008
    1,486 posts
    VA
    That is a nice looking design! Modern but not out of place in a more traditional setting either. Like it!
  7. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,922 posts
    Northern Virginia
    My only concern about that cute VL-17 is that they haven't published parts prices for the replacement right, left and back vermiculite panels in the firebox.
  8. begreen Super Moderator

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    36,118 posts
    South Puget Sound, WA
    The VL-17 looks like a nice fit for the smaller home and that it a great price. Good to see it has been promoted to a first class citizen on Englander's main site. I'd love to play with one of these for a winter.
  9. stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 14, 2006
    4,500 posts
    madison hgts. va
    generally with new products like the 17 we do not get replacement parts listed right away not to be deceptive but simply because anything in the stove defective during the first year would be a warranty issue so nobody should have a need to purchase them. our web store guru is currently working on getting the prices and such into the online store since i mentioned this thread to him. i will come back and post pricing on those items shortly

    EDIT: individual panels will cost $32.75 plus s/h each. a complete set of the 6 peices in the unit would be $127.65 plus s/h which is less than the individual parts cost.

    as for durability they seem to hold up quite well so we believe based on what we are seeing that these panels should last for several years of normal use.
  10. kevinmerchant Member

    joined: Jul 29, 2009
    114 posts
    Cheshire, CT
    I am a fan of Englander for both their service and product. Used the furnace for my first 2 years of burning. Now I just bought a factory refurbished 30 from Englanders neighbor Andy. I cant wait to get this thing fired up. BrotherBart, I hope I'm not disappointed :mad: After credit it was just over $500, now thats a deal. Good product, Good price, Great service.
  11. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,069 posts
    N.E. Penna
    My local Lowes (Vestal NY) had a Englander 30 out on display tonight. Must be some are still putting them out.

    pen
  12. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,922 posts
    Northern Virginia
    Said it heats my house great. Didn't say you wouldn't screw up running it. :lol:

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