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NH Legislators to introduce two bills re: OWB's

Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by Hbbyloggr, Nov 16, 2007.

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  1. Hbbyloggr

    Hbbyloggr New Member

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    I received our copy of " The communicator " , the publication from the NH Farm Bureau.

    Two Bills will be filed for the 2008 Legislature, one to regulate OWB and the other to ban their use in NH.

    I am very troubled by this announcement and will certainly attend the public sessions to state the case for responsible and continued use of the OWB .

    Without harping over more government interference , it may be time to start looking at other
    " approved " ( no matter how the political wind blows ) options. I'm big on having back up plans.

    I need a wood furnace , hot water, outdoor setting, in the 500kBtu + range. AND we need something that will consume the waste wood generated by our firewood operation.

    What's out there for me?

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  2. Nofossil

    Nofossil Moderator Emeritus

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    I'm not sure I want to touch this topic - could get burned. Eric will chime in soon with some suggestions for clean-burning gasification or quasi-gasification boilers - there are a couple of models, and he seems to know a lot about them.

    My fear is that legislators will respond to legitimate concerns about poorly designed and/or poorly operated OWBs, and ban a much broader category without understanding that there are differences. Go fight the good fight, but consider that something may need to be done. I for one believe that there are models out there that should be banned or at the least should require a license to operate within 1/2 mile of any other dwelling.

    The more we can do to educate legislators about the subject and help users to buy and operate systems that are respectful of their neighbors, the better off we'll all be.
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    I doubt that they would ban existing installations, but one never knows. And if they start banning all "non-EPA-certified" wood burners, then everyone with a wood-based central heating appliance is screwed.

    I don't know much about these big, outdoor gasifiers and other clean wood burners, but I have seen a couple of them in operation and up close at trade shows. But offhand, I would investigate:

    Blue Forge
    Adobe
    Garn
    Seton
    Greenwood

    Not sure about how big they make the last two, but if you need to burn green wood, Adobe and Blue Forge claim to be able to handle it, and my friend with the Garn says that he can, too, under certain circumstances. All five are basically clean-burning units, and are either designed or can be adapted for outdoor installation. I suspect CB and other OWB manufacturers will shortly be introducing their own clean-burners so as not to lose market share as people begin, for whatever reason, to switch.
  4. Hbbyloggr

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    I am hoping that Eric chimes in. He has access to a lot of the new tech's, and old well established companies. Gasifiers certainly are not new in the lumber/ logging industry. But the trick is to find a model between the home owner size and full industrial mega-boiler. He has been in the game for awhile and might be able to point the way.

    Craig also has some new facts about OWB emissions and the info would be helpful.

    Thanks for the help, guys !

    Hbbyloggr
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    Chiptec here in Vermont does very nice industrial gasification boilers, but the extreme bottom end of their range is 1,000,000 BTU/hr. I also expect that they would add an extra zero or two to whatever price you were thinking about.
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    Perhaps they could make new ones meet the voluntary EPA spec, and come out with an education program for existing one. Still, in the end, it is not a "free" state if one guy gets to smoke up an entire valley, so if there are problems here and there, the government needs a way to deal with it. The end result will be cleaner air for the majority of people (downwind), and sometimes the individual has to sacrifice for that!
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    I doubt very much that an out right ban on the OWB would pass, but I suspect that they would offer " guide lines" for the towns to follow, such as , distance from property lines, stack height, population density, time of year requirements and the like,making it very difficult to install anything at all. If they require EPA certification, then watch out , even the indoor stoves will be at risk.

    It really fries my ashcan when oil prices are so stinkin' high that they have to attack alternate energy supplies. Heck, all of my domestic and business heating needs including hot water are tied to wood as fuel. I have not used any # 2 heating oil since 1989 and now they say they have to legislate me ?

    Eric, Thanks for the leads. I'm going to start the search. I'll be at the NEFExpo in Vermont this coming spring to see what they have to offer. I looked at the AHS sawdust burner, but the reviews seem a little off. I'm sure there will be enough time to do plenty of research. Trends drive me crazy. I thought I was at the top of the game when I got my first whole tree chipper in 1980, only to have PSNH buy out the contracts from our wood fired power plants. Bio Energy , my main buyer, sold out and that put me out of business.
    As Nofossil put it, " Fight the good fight" . Damned, here we go again.

    Hbbyloggr
  9. Eric Johnson

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    I'm trying to get some more gasifiers at the show. I had high hopes for Black Bear, but they're out of business. Adobe, maybe. Blue Forge would be nice, too. We do get Aquatherm and a bunch of OWB guys like Taylor and CB, and last time in Essex Jct. there was a pretty cool looking indoor unit with a glass front and a pretty strange (Euro) piping arrangement. We get some of the biggies like ChipTec, too. The thing about loggers and sawmills is that they have access to a lot of free or cheap, green wood, so they're a pretty logical market for traditional OWBs. But almost everybody I talk to these days seems concerned about the air pollution issue, and as the cleaner-burning technology becomes more widespread--like it seems to be doing--then I think people will make the switch when it comes time to replace the old smoke dragon.
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    Amen to that. I saw the Blue Forge advertised in the" Farm Show" magazine I think before Cozyburn picked up the line. It looks rugged enough to hold the QEII .

    The manufacturers must really be scrambling to get something made that will pass inspection and new regulations. Let's hope they do a good job of it this time around.

    Do you think anyone is going to pick up the pieces from the Black Bear ? They seemed pretty innovative and it's too bad that they had to fold.
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