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No Burn Regulations BS

Post in 'The Inglenook' started by Mr A, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Mr A

    Mr A Minister of Fire

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    This is the biggest pile of steaming crap ever! I live in Sacramento, CA area. We have an ordinance I just became aware of. There have only been 4 legal burn days in December while temperatures have dipped below freezing! Found a citation hanging on my door knob this morning. Appears we have roaming smoke detectives wandering around at night. I'm supposed to complete an online wood smoke awareness course at a cost of $50. Second offense results in increase fines. So there you have it, bureaucrats drive up the costs of electricity and gas and then force you into using more of the utilities under threat of financial penalties.

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  2. sebring

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    Im sure I could make way more money living in California than rural PA. But what little freedom I have makes it worth it..
  3. Benchwrench

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    I wouldn't put it past 'em using an IR/flir camera as a means of capturing "proof" of your puffage.


    Man, I'm sooo glad I don't live in the wonderful state of Californication.

    They're very savy to fine those who park on the street, use water on "off" days, enforce burn ban days, bi-anual smog checks (desiel included), driving with tinted widows, sorry dude, but the list goes on and oooooon....
  4. Benchwrench

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    and PG&E uses a tiered rate for those who want to either stay warm in winter and keep cool in the summer. So you freeze in the winter trying to stay within your base rate allowance which never happens. Then pay 30% anything above your base rate, then 50% if more consumption demands.

    I said it before and I'll say it again; THE GOLD RUSH IS OVER.
  5. pen

    pen There are some who call me...mod. Staff Member

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    I'd have a hard time dealing with these restrictions also.

    Let us know how that class goes. It'll be interesting to see what they have to share with you there and how accurate or even biased it is or is not.

    Going to move this over to the inglenook since it's more a discussion / venting topic rather than a wood burning problem shooting type thread.

    pen
  6. jharkin

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    I can tell this one is going to head to the can eventually....
  7. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    The law there says that you pay $50 fine OR complete the awareness course for first offense.
  8. flyingcow

    flyingcow Minister of Fire

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    throw a little marijuana in it, than you're burning for medical issues. :)
  9. Mr A

    Mr A Minister of Fire

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    You know, that is a good idea! Sacramento is full of medical marijuana dispensaries. They give anyone that wants one a medical marijuana card. I don't smoke it myself. They only smoke the buds and eat the leaves, I'll ask for the stems, get a card and burn their waste. Maybe make some sort of manufactured logs, lol. Compressed hemp logs.
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    Eat it while it's warm. :lol:
  11. Highbeam

    Highbeam Minister of Fire

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    Welcome to my world. We have the same problem here in the puget sound area. There was a long thread about it a few weeks ago that ended up in the ash can.

    For us, the first offense is (up to) a 1000$ fine. I really do think that the fine is excessive.
  12. Mr A

    Mr A Minister of Fire

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    I discussed the regulations with my chimney sweep today. He tells me his company is challenging the Air Quality Management District on their determination of amount of pollutants forecast for no burn days. Good to know those that make their living depending on us to keep using wood fuel are fighting back the faceless unelected bureaucrats that come to over regulate us, and threaten our freedom and prosperity. There have been 29 no burn days since Nov. 1, 2011. We have had a very clear skies weather pattern also. Independent industry groups, according to the sweep, says the particulate content calling for no burn day has actually been only 13 days. What else is interesting, is that as soon as the clouds start moving through, the burn status is legal. Also, Ceremonial fires related to specific religious activities are exempt under all circumstances. Sweep says he services many Wiccans.

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