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For all of those souls depending propane and natural gas, my heart goes to you. I have read reports of $5.00 plus a gallon for propane and natural gas is right there too.

Four years back I bought a used Olympic 1190 insert for the house and it has about 1200 sq. ft. with a LOT of single pane glass. My dad built it in the mid 1960’s so you know the efficiencies are just not there. Today it will be in the 30’s and from the weather man reports, we will dealing with the 20’s most of February at nights. We heat with wood and propane. That insert is awesome. I do my part by stoking it with oak with wood I cut, split and stack in a covered barn and cure it for at least two years before I burn it. Even I need to get up about 3 in the morning to add some wood; we keep really warm and toasty. The propane never hits the 70 degree point before the heater kicks in. The house keeps from 78 – 80 day times as my wife has health issues and she needs the warmth or she gets sick (she likes it in the high 80’s but that is too hot for me so she has a electric unit for her office).

If I had installed a smaller unit, I could not have happy. During this last four years I have saved over $4,000.00 over the cost of the insert, the liner and the install costs. I am 63 and I am still cutting wood and as long I can do it, I will be a happy camper every time the propane truck appears as it is not needed.
 
We put a wood stove in our living room this summer for mostly recreational use we thought. Turns out we pretty much have ran it none stop all winter, just luv the wood heat. And yes, still have pretty much a full tank of propane left for a added plus. I believe we will hit a high of -13 here today in northern WI.
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Good for you Robert. We can also relate to your wife's needs for a warm home and we keep our home 80 or above all winter. Naturally it takes a bit more fuel for us than for you because of location but that is okay. I've always enjoyed working in the woods. You still have a ways to go to catch me on the age thing but we probably match pretty good with the happy camper idea.
 
Good for you Robert. We can also relate to your wife's needs for a warm home and we keep our home 80 or above all winter. Naturally it takes a bit more fuel for us than for you because of location but that is okay. I've always enjoyed working in the woods. You still have a ways to go to catch me on the age thing but we probably match pretty good with the happy camper idea.
I'd be wearing shorts and no shirt all the time if my place was 80 all of the time. My ex kept her house at 75 at all times and I and her kids would always try to sneak the thermostat down a few degrees but she checked it every time she passed by it! We used fans directed at us to keep col in the winter and to sleep better. 65-68 is the upstairs temp here and I've been downstairs all day in a short sleeve shirt at 53 degrees but i am cold down here. But its your house, have it hot as you please. Just babbling here.... :)
 
I was quoting the price of natural gas. I have seen it from a low of $1.927 m up to $5.173 in the two years spread. Look at the history of the graphs here and click the icons for the date spreads:

http://www.investing.com/commodities/natural-gas

Contract Size10,000 MMBtu

14/04/2012 at $1.927

26/01/2014 at $5.173

As of the date and time of this post the price of natural gas is $5.065.


The price of LP gas has spiked over 100% in FIVE days in TEXAS at

http://www.checkpropaneprices.com/?field_state_value_many_to_one=TX

TX

Collin

Jan 28 2014

Homeowner

101 to 200

$5.99

$6.99

TX

Tarrant

Jan 23 2014

Supplier (Leased)

401 to 500

$2.79

$0.00


Sometimes I do the right things and getting that insert is right on of the top of that list.


Robert
 
And I hate it as hot as we keep it BUT my wife has arthritis and she has health issues and the cold makes cry if it is even at 76.
 
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Thanks to regulated utilities we are still paying 53 cents a therm here in Massachusetts for natural gas. No shortage Ive seen.

Damn Socialists ;)
 
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To make matters worse Xcel energy had that Ng explosion in Canada limiting the supply of Ng to MN, WI and ND.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24551222/xcel-energy-asks-customers-to-conserve-natural-gas

MN is also under a State of Emergency from the propane shortage.
http://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/pressreleasedetail.jsp?id=102-112720

So we have a wood shortage, a Ng shortage, and a Propane shortage.
Add to that one of the coldest fall/winters on record.

Almost every week I hear of another house fire caused by either, electrical or chimney.

Last night the news had a story about families trying to keep warm using portable gas heaters.
The thought that was going through my head was CO2 poisoning.
 
They had ones with thermostats built in, I just don't trust them. they asked us to use them, but I don't want their house to burn down!
no, i meant on the boiler that ran full bore.
 
no, i meant on the boiler that ran full bore.


It wasn't a thermostat issue, there was some sort of problem with a regulator or something on the actual unit itself. I'm not familiar with the system, but it took them a few days to get the part, and then they had a different issue with it.
 
According to my neighbors, folks were paying $5/gallon, for propane, here in August! :eek:
 
I was quoting the price of natural gas. I have seen it from a low of $1.927 m up to $5.173 in the two years spread. Look at the history of the graphs here and click the icons for the date spreads:

http://www.investing.com/commodities/natural-gas

Contract Size10,000 MMBtu

14/04/2012 at $1.927

26/01/2014 at $5.173

As of the date and time of this post the price of natural gas is $5.065.


The price of LP gas has spiked over 100% in FIVE days in TEXAS at

http://www.checkpropaneprices.com/?field_state_value_many_to_one=TX

TX

Collin

Jan 28 2014

Homeowner

101 to 200

$5.99

$6.99

TX

Tarrant

Jan 23 2014

Supplier (Leased)

401 to 500

$2.79

$0.00


Sometimes I do the right things and getting that insert is right on of the top of that list.


Robert
That's odd since Texas has so many newer NG wells and TX and OK produce most of the NG.
 
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Didn't OPEC restrict crude oil to raise prices? I suppose the same thing can happen here. You can have all kinds of the gas but if a company says their not selling it it can inflate the cost of the commodity.
 
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Ahem.... Hmm... I have my doubts about that. I paid $1.29 for my summer fill in the fourth week of July of 2013.
Midwest has cheap propane prices. We paid $3.46 last summer.
 
That's odd since Texas has so many newer NG wells and TX and OK produce most of the NG.

Not exactly.

2011 NG production
  1. Texas — 7.1 Tcf
  2. Louisiana — 3.0 Tcf
  3. Wyoming — 2.2 Tcf
  4. Oklahoma — 1.9 Tcf
  5. Colorado — 1.6 Tcf
 
What was interesting is for many, many years the people in Louisiana that lived right on top of those gas fields didn't have NG available to them. It was all exported to other states.
 
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Midwest has cheap propane prices. We paid $3.46 last summer.
I had to go look at my receipts. It looks like I paid $1.389 on 5/01/2013 and then $1.209 on 7/26/2013. The good old days...lol this is gas I use now and will do a summer fill again in July.
 
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What was interesting is for many, many years the people in Louisiana that lived right on top of those gas fields didn't have NG available to them. It was all exported to other states.

Living it here in Pa. But for me, the pop density just isn't high enough here for the lines to be run.
 
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