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Post in 'The Green Room' started by RustyShackleford, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. RustyShackleford

    RustyShackleford Minister of Fire

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    There's an online petition at the website of NRDC (one of the most effective organizations for environmental protection) at:

    http://www.nrdc.org/action/

    There are several items there - I think the relevant one is something about "saving our forests".

    It's a great organization - I urge you to join and contribute (you know, unless you think environmentalism and global warming is some giant left-wing conspiracy :)

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  2. TMonter

    TMonter Minister of Fire

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    Environmentalism as a whole (as it is practiced now) is mainly a meaningless feel-good exercise.

    The NRDC is on the same level as PETA when you examine the "facts" they use to try and convince people.
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  3. RustyShackleford

    RustyShackleford Minister of Fire

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    Jesus, I thought Hurricane Sandy had blown your type back into the woodwork.
  4. TMonter

    TMonter Minister of Fire

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  5. woodgeek

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    Oy. I posted a report from NRDC in a different thread, but I don't know them well. Can you please provide some 'facts' and their refutation to back up this claim?

    Of is it just 'global warming is a hoax', rinse, repeat?
  6. RustyShackleford

    RustyShackleford Minister of Fire

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    Oh sorry. I thought our precious freedoms as Americans allowed us to pick and choose which science to believe.
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  7. TMonter

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    No, it's their reliance on claims of what will or might happen that is not grounded in science, and their rabid anti-coal stance with no regard to the realities of how regulations have prevented progress in the energy sector, or the consequences for the poorest sector of the country of their policies.
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  8. TMonter

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    That doesn't make you right and science is based on repeatable observations which is something that hurricane predictions cannot do.

    Outliers of meteorology are just that, outliers.
  9. woodgeek

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    = PETA??
  10. TMonter

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    Look at their webpage Woodgeek, it reads just like PETA's webpage it's big on Hyperbole and short on facts.
  11. woodgeek

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    Sorry, looks like a environmentalist, liberal PAC website to me. Didn't see any photos of naked celebs, saying "I only wear wind!", or read stories about folks throwing blood on coal execs, or mailing anonymous death threats to coal miners. ≠ PETA
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    I have no stance on the sciency-ness or PETA-ness of this nrdc...but I can't imagine the "business" of cutting trees to make energy is anywhere near as destructive as the seemingly endless forest fires that have zero benefit. I'm all for saving trees and all, but you'd think energy companies would have a sorta long term plan for trees or they wouldn't last very long in the energy game, no? it would be nice though if we could stop the umpteen zillion acres from just bunring away with nothing to show for it. so lets save the trees...just different trees from the ones they think need saving.
  14. woodgeek

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    Get someone to burn the beetle kill for $$, before it goes up and takes half of colorado with it, put 10% of the profits into new trees.
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    rowerwet Minister of Fire

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    there is a program to get timber companies to cut roads into the forrests, it is a win for both, the roads allow much easier fire fighing, and the timber co's get the trees. A certain president signed the paper that kept that program from happening in areas. the same areas that had huge fires that were hard to fight...
    the spotted owl hoax was another way the tree huggers kept programs like that out.
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    .[QUOTE it would be nice though if we could stop the umpteen zillion acres from just bunring away with nothing to show for it.][/QUOTE]

    They are halfway torrified already!

    The Natural Resources Defense Council is really just like PETA for wood,water,wind,coal,oil, and sun etc. Except the coal and oil because they are no longer natural resources, they are environmental terrorists that infringe on the rights of the other true resources.
  17. woodgeek

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    Ok Wildo, name some enviro groups that are NOT the same as PETA in your estimation. Is the idea that the next generation will decide to leave some coal and oil in the ground so radical?

    I believe that, and am pretty 'moderate' on AGW, in that I don't believe in 'tipping points' and I think a 50-70% (vs 90-100%) reduction in CO2 production will likely be sufficient to forestall AGW's worst effects well past 2100. And is a hechuva lot more feasible than 90%--we get to keep airplanes.
  18. TMonter

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    You should see the regulatory hoops you have jump through to get permitted to log beetle kill on federal lands. It's not pretty.

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