1. Welcome Hearth.com Guests and Visitors - Please enjoy our forums!
    Hearth.com GOLD Sponsors who help bring the site content to you:
    Hearthstone Soapstone and Cast-Iron stoves( Wood, Gas or Pellet Stoves and Inserts)
    Caluwe - Passion for Fire and Water ( Pellet and Wood Hydronic and Space Heating)

Question about old factory built fireplace and new wood insert.....

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by ekwiatek, Dec 26, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. elkimmeg

    elkimmeg Guest

    You or he is welcome to their oppinions I gave mine. I am limited to looking at a few small pictures The information concerning
    "The charring is often referred to as pyrophoric carbon," Is factual and documented. Not something I made up. This condition is explained and actual investigations have proved this information or the contributing factor to a fire or fires have been enhanced by this process
    This is not a new find but this knowledge has existed for 100 years. Are all the investigators and scientist full of beans? What Phd does this guy posess? What is his credentials? Is he an MIT grad? Has this expert actually seen your setup? What does your local inspector say? Remember this is my oppinion based of limited view of pictures you supplied. Not from an actual inspection. I can be wrong. So Iam full of sh** for alering you of potential dangers or I might have said what you or he did not want to hear. I did this as a service to you. I did it in a professional manner. I did not call anybody names or extend inuendo to that extent. You e-mailed me for my oppinion that's what I gave. In this world it is ok to have different oppinions, personal attacks have nothing to do with the oppinion. That guy you claim is a Pro, Nothing professional about his response. Sure makes me want to side with his oppinions. Makes me wonder what course he took at MIT, to express himself so eleoquently?

    Helpful Sponsor Ads!





  2. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
    We are all very familiar with what effects hot gases can have on wood over a period of time..... He was not talking about that, but rather your incompetent statement that "I see too many areas where black residue indicates your unit is leaking exhaust"....

    Other people in this forum provide answers, or help provide a direction to obtain answers.... you seem to be full of hyper-information which is just a form of dis-information.... I am sorry I solicited your help...

    K
  3. joshuaviktor

    joshuaviktor New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2005
    Messages:
    234
    Loc:
    Northwest New Jersey
    Incompetent Statement? Dude, you need to chill out. You asked for help, he gave it as best he could, without asking for pay. Ok, Elk was a bit defensive in his last post, but ASH and CHAR indicate smoke is coming out somewhere. Ok? Otherwise known as "leaking exhaust".

    If you're sorry you solicited help, vote with your time. Leave the forum. Remove your inflammatory remarks from this space.

    But when more than the air between us is blistering, remember this place, and the advice it gave you.

    Good day, sir.
  4. wg_bent

    wg_bent Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2005
    Messages:
    2,248
    Loc:
    Poughkeepsie, NY
    To Elk... Wow, it's amazing how you provided a good deal of science facts and from a few pictures. That guy isn't likely to take your advise that you offered free of charge, based on years of experience, and in a completely professional manner. Well, my advise to you is that it's time to ignore this jabony and move on.


    To the originator of this thread...Elk provided you free advise. Choose not to take it, thank him for his opinion and his free time. He does this for a living, and he does not have to help you, but you asked. If you didn't want to hear the answer, then don't ask the question.
  5. elkimmeg

    elkimmeg Guest

    My reply was directed to the poster who originated the threat Sknooper. My observation Were of the pictures he supplied.
    Ekwiatek you did not supply the pictures and no my reply was not addressed to you. Unless ekwiatek and sknooper are in fact the same person using two different identities, Flip flopping posting in the same thread. God knows the reason why?

    I reviewed the pictures numerous times, Not to prove I was right but to see if I was wrong. I stand by my original opinion. This prefab fireplace looks unsuitable unsafe for use or for an insert installation. Please review it and your own pictures. What’s with the HVAC duct tape sealing leaks? Did you know that the adhesive melts at temps over 175 degrees? Absolutely useless. This reinforces my first conclusions that the fireplace is leaking exhaust gasses. Why would someone try to patch it with aluminum foil tape? And from the pictures, the tape is in more than one location. I know I would want a little more safety and protection, than aluminum foil protecting my life, family, and home
  6. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
  7. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
  8. webbie

    webbie Seasoned Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2005
    Messages:
    12,252
    Loc:
    Western Mass.
    Advice of the type you asked for - inspection from afar - is a very difficult, if not impossible thing. Elk is a building official who goes out and inspects these things every day and I have installed thousands of stoves personally.

    The reason you saw no opinion from me was that I saw the pictures and realized I could not make any valid judgement - so the old maxim "better to remain silent" came into play.

    Zero clearance fireplaces are generally cheap piece of "you know what". However, if the basic integrity of the box and chimney has held up- AND, you are installing a new double wall insert and full liner in it, it would seem in most cases that you are making the fireplace much safer.

    The folks here are only trying to help...but I understand your point. We should not pass judgement so quickly on things we cannot see or inspect. Better to just say "Hey, you have to get a pro to look at that", than say "looks bad, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole".

    Being an open forum, I pretty much let folks do what they do, unless they get mean or nasty. However, I do not want to fourm to degrade into a "one trick poney" on which the answer is usually no. We need real experiences from real people. This is not an "experts" forum, it is a public forum. Some of the posters consider themselves schooled in certain parts of the whole picture, which may be true.

    You have to take the advice given here in the spirit in which it is presented....and hopefully that is with a reasonable explanation of the opinion given.
  9. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
  10. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2005
    Messages:
    27,264
    Loc:
    Northern Virginia
    When I was in law school telling people not to burn their house down did not generate a cause of action.

    Craig provides a valuable resource here for people to share experiences. Unfortunately, like any public forum, there will always be posters whose mind is made up and are just looking for somebody to argue with about it.

    This fireplace wanna-bee has been heating his home with wood since 1977 and has, in the last week, learned three things I never knew from reading posts here.

    Have another drink. Light up a bonfire in that thing. If you want to keep slinging insults, take it to the private message section. I am up to it.
  11. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
  12. webbie

    webbie Seasoned Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2005
    Messages:
    12,252
    Loc:
    Western Mass.
    Dear Friend,

    You came into the forum and asked some questions, although I don't know why if you had three inspections. People answered you based on what they could see from some fuzzy pictures. They took their time to help you with no benefit to themselves.

    Now you come here and try to belittle the combined experience of the regulars here, very few (if any) of whom are masons.

    Please try to be nice when people help you.
  13. Shane

    Shane Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,830
    Loc:
    Casper Wyoming
    I've been sweeping installing and servicing hearth products for six years. I have my wood and gas NFI certifications. Am going to have pellet as soon as they let me take the test. I have completed several factory training and Hearth Education Foundation courses. To be honest none of those certifications mean anything without experience. I gave you my advice based on the pictures you provided. The only advice I provided was strictly about the smoke guard. If you've had a professional chimney sweep come in and inspect from top to bottom then I wouldn't worry about it.
  14. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
  15. Mike Wilson

    Mike Wilson New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2005
    Messages:
    1,003
    Loc:
    Orient Point, NY
    Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out...

    Attached Files:

  16. Shane

    Shane Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,830
    Loc:
    Casper Wyoming
    That's America. Any idiot can get up on his soapbox, it's up to the rest of us idiots to decide which idiot (if any) to listen to. I guess it's American too to sue any idiot stupid enough to get on that soap box. Well then sue me.
  17. roac

    roac New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2005
    Messages:
    227
    Loc:
    Nampa, Idaho
    Wasn't the advice given on this website being too safe?? UHHH since when do people get sued for being too safe?? These guys sometimes annoy me at how safety oriented they are. So who cares if they gave you too safe for you advice? Go crawl back under the rock you came from you low life!!!
  18. ekwiatek

    ekwiatek New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    Messages:
    32
    I'm sorry.... I may have gotten a little out of line.

    Please forgive me if I offended you.

    Goodbye.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page