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RIP Net Neutrality

Post in 'The Inglenook' started by begreen, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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  2. ironpony

    ironpony Minister of Fire

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    makes me glad I do not care much about cell phones and computers. Yes I belong to about 4 forums but if they were all gone tomorrow my life would not end.
    I am not very reliant on technology, do not even have a personal cell phone, my work phone sends and receives calls period. no texts, nothing, gets turned on at 7 off at 4. I control my life.
    I know I am the exception to the rule, but honestly how much do you really NEED this stuff?? I would bet 90% of what people do on their cell phones and internet is not NEEDED.
    Life is moving to fast and information overload is a real problem. Employers want to contact you 24 -7 via e-mail or text and get an answer. Not this guy.
    Sorry it might be off subject, rant over.
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  3. bobdog2o02

    bobdog2o02 Feeling the Heat

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    This is the end of small upstarts and innovation that moves tech forward. Now small companies that rely on speedy internet for new products to become successsfull will need to muster more venture capital for this service, leaving less on the plate for their actual innovative controbutions....Way to go FCC.
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  4. Joful

    Joful Minister of Fire

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    I'll take the opposite stance. Second sentence in your mother jones article:

    "The Wall Street Journal reports today that the FCC has given up on finding a legal avenue to enforce equal access and will instead propose rules that explicitly allow broadband suppliers to favor companies that pay them for faster pipes."

    This is just capitalism at work, doing what it does best: natural selection. You might not like the system, but it is our system, and you do have a right to change your citizenship any time.

    Rather than complain about it, find a way to use it to your advantage. There's going to be some economic winners and losers in the fall out. Invest in the winners, and then you can smile when folks complain about you evil 1%'ers.
  5. bobdog2o02

    bobdog2o02 Feeling the Heat

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    Wow, i guess i should just move to North Korea. My arguement to this is that we allready have a system that has capatalistic basis, we pay for upload and download speeds........ The more you pay the faster your stuff will run. This is something completely different. It will grade packets of info and give priority to some ex. netfilx. Why should my neighbor's netflix be more important than my hulu when we both pay for the same internet service........ Silly. And where will this stop? will health based transfers, ie xrays mri's etc, be blessed with a high priority. How about security and surveilance based on remote IP tech. That can be LIFE SAFETY streaming video......... No easy answer but i think the govt. should step out and let things keep working they way they are.
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  6. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    I would. But wouldn't be able to contact my broker or monitor my Walmart stock when walmart.com has bought up all of the bandwidth.
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    Its funny - for a country that claims to support rugged individualism; the ability of the little guy to rise up and become successful from nothing but hard work and merit; and eschewing the class divisions and hereditary rule of old Europe...

    ... lately we seem to be doing everything possible to unlevel the playing field and make sure the little guy hasn't got a chance to upset the status quo (thinking of the supreme court decisions on campaign funding here too).

    Seems that corporations have become our new hereditary kings and queens here in the "new" world. :(
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  8. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    This is definitely what is happening and very quickly. SCOTUS is making it a near certainty.
  9. bobdog2o02

    bobdog2o02 Feeling the Heat

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    Term limits to every elected and NON ELECTED representative and official. 3 years should be long enough to get some productive stuff done without getting comfy.
  10. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    The seven Tier 1 network owners are ordering new Gulfstreams today I bet.
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  11. bobdog2o02

    bobdog2o02 Feeling the Heat

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    Its really sad, nbc/comcast is going to have a huge monopoly, will the antitrust commision realize this though. They own so much of things that dont seem related but feed off of each other. It would be like Carnegie, Rockefeller and Weyerhaeuser all in cahoots at the same time.
  12. begreen

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    The FCC has been complicit selling off airwave neutrality and fairness rules since the Regan administration. Under Powell the FCC removed constraints on media market domination. And these are just a couple of the bullet points on the FCC selling out.

    How many of you love the OTA changes from VHF TV to digital? That change has effectively cut off reception to a lot of rural America. And now they want two paths into every home. One slick and speedy and one prone to dropouts and slow service. Not so great for mom and dad trying to manage their healthcare or social security or for millions of others dealing with banking, shopping, research, school papers, etc.. The net has grown because it has been open and equal to all. Now a few corporations want to capitalize on that, not for social gain, but to please their shareholders. The net should be regulated like other public utilities so that they best serve the public and social justice.

    Here's a reminder list of FCC sellouts, each one a systematic step toward insuring an oligarchy gets the pie every time.
    http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/mediatimeline.html
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    I do not see any good coming out of this. Some may claim that they don't rely on the internet on a daily basis. But the reality is we all are served by the internet in some form or another. it's in this countries interest to keep the internet the way it is.

    For the life of me, i do not know why they are doing this.
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    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Please take a moment to use the internet to communicate your concerns to your elected reps.
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    Wow, didnt realize what a turning point '81 was. Seems its been all downhill since.....
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    In many areas it is more like a monopoly. There IS only one choice of a provider.

    This is bad new for the end user. The only people that this serves is shareholders.
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    "The Commission has also decided for now against reclassifying broadband as a public utility, which would subject ISPs to much greater regulation. However, the Commission has left the reclassification option on the table at present."

    This appears to be the only silver bullet left.
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    I don't know any shareholders who aren't users. ;lol

    Bottom line, this debate has been going for more years than I can remember, and we all knew this was coming. Rather than complain about who the winners and losers will be, since so many here seem to think they know, I hope some of you steered your investments / retirement accordingly.
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    So profit off of a bad decision rather than take the long view and push for the greater good? Sounds like a sellout.
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  21. Joful

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    I wouldn't say that exactly. Who's greater good? Yours? Aren't these evil shareholders good people too? Many are just working chums, investing their retirement, hoping it pays off someday...

    It's not that I don't admire your passion for these things, begreen. It's just that I'd rather look for the positive / benefit / profit in these things, than frustrate myself fighting losing battles.
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    So your strategy is to win the battles but lose the war?
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  23. Grisu

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    So transferring more income and savings from the little guy to the rich or who do you think pays for profits and capital gains and who ends up with them?
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    Guess I stumbled into the Ash Can ............
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  25. Joful

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    You're not going to win the "war." No sense in losing every battle along the way, as well.

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