Salt is said to fight Creosote - Is it true??
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greythorn3
Minister of Fire
chad101 said:
wow im gonna have to start takign them salt packages from mcdhonalds and burnign them on my coal bed at nite!
jebatty
Minister of Fire
Don't know, because don't get creosote. Burn dry wood, keep the stove temps where they belong, and never have a creosote problem. We burn 24/7, 19 years now, and clean the chimney once each summer after the heating season so it's ready to go the next fall. About a 1/8" layer of dusty stuff inside the chimney which easily brushes clean.
Years ago I watched my grandfather doing this and asked him. I know my father did it and I've done it when having to tend to my parents. Stove pipe was coated with black goo threw in a cup of rock salt that night and then swept out the dry the next afternoon. Seemed to work for me.
Seems to me salt would "fight" just about anything. Creosote...your chimney liner...whatever gets in its way
On the other hand, can't be any worse than the chemicals you can buy for the same purpose
On the other hand, can't be any worse than the chemicals you can buy for the same purpose
LLigetfa
Minister of Fire
In the old days, salt was used to glaze the brick inside the chimney, not to fight creosote. Salt is also used to glaze pottery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_glaze_pottery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_glaze_pottery
stoveguy2esw
Minister of Fire
i would think the corrosive nature of salt would make me nervous about adding it to a fire. might not react well with the stove connector pipe.
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
jebatty said:
I think this is the key . . . burn seasoned wood, keep the stove temps hot enough and check and sweep when needed and you really shouldn't have much of a problem . . . and certainly shouldn't need to add anything to fight creosote . . . plus as Mike said, adding salt to a large metal box isn't something I would want to experiment with myself.
Save the Salt . . . for the french fries.
Hogwildz
Minister of Fire
GatorDL55
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Every stove manufacturer will tell you to never burn driftwood in there stoves, and most stove (not all) will tell you not to burn driftwood in there manual. I would be worried about the thing you can control, and that is salt in driftwood. Its pretty common knowledge that salt is corrosive to metal. And in the presence of heat, that chemical reaction happens faster. Manufacturers are hip to what driftwood damage looks like, and good luck claiming a warranty claim on a premature rusted out stove or chimney.
Lumber-Jack
Minister of Fire
Adios Pantalones
Minister of Fire
Salt glazes pottery because the sodium interacts with the silica in clay. On steel, I'd guess there's some chance of corrosion. The "chimney sweeping powder/log/etc." use a sodium bearing compound- are they linked to corrosion?
Adios Pantalones said:
Forming, I assume, sodium silicate? Where does the chlorine ion end up? With all the hydrogen and water vapor being produced in a hot burn, I'd be a bit concerned about forming hydrochloric acid.
I did see salt recommended in an old woodburning manual, but I'd be reluctant to be the first to try it.
Adkjake
Burning Hunk
Isn't it Salt + Steel + Moisture = Rust? If I recall my HS and college chemistry correctly, and that's a big IF, salt in and of
itslelf is pretty inert. It needs a catalyst or a stimulant to do it's work. And water is one of the big ones.
If you put salt on steel in a very dry environment, not much would happen.
There was a thread awhile back about using TSP all purpose cleaner to clear creosote. Isn't TSP a salt of sorts, not all salt is NaCl?
itslelf is pretty inert. It needs a catalyst or a stimulant to do it's work. And water is one of the big ones.
If you put salt on steel in a very dry environment, not much would happen.
There was a thread awhile back about using TSP all purpose cleaner to clear creosote. Isn't TSP a salt of sorts, not all salt is NaCl?
I know the ss liner I just installed says the warranty is void if any type of salt is used. They even say don't burn firewood thats been in saltwater!
I read that moth balls help? I have some but I'm loathe to try it without knowing a little more.
summit
Minister of Fire
i would not use salt or mothballs... just stinks of corrosion in the system: especally if you have s catalyst... that being said, A.C.S. spray is about the most effective anti creo-sote stuff I have ever seen. and safe to use in all applications, even in pellet units and woodstoves w/ catalysts.
IIRC, most chlorides are corrosive. The best solution is to burn dry wood and hot enough to not need bandaid solutions. When creosote accumulates, get out the chimney brush.
http://www.woodheat.org/q&a/qamaintenance.htm
http://www.woodheat.org/q&a/qamaintenance.htm
Backwoods Savage
Minister of Fire
This is another case of people trying to get around what is really needed to be done. Do it right in the beginning and don't worry and you won't have to try to be "tricky" in your methods. As has been stated by several, burn good wood and you won't have to resort to tricks. Clean the chimney at least annually (for most).
Adios Pantalones
Minister of Fire
Batten- Sodium silicate is the product. The Cl forms HCl. Now in pottery many use soda ash or sodium bicarb, which don't produce HCl (this is what I have used). salt/soda glazed pottery often has a distinctive "orange peel" texture.
CrawfordCentury
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Carbon_Liberator said:You could also try one of these.
Yup. To my mind, salt, aluminium cans, store-bought products, voodoo, whatever - I just don't get the peace of mind that comes with getting up on the roof with a brush and rods.
We burn only well-seasoned wood in a good hot stove. But this year's mild New England fall and winter got me concerned so I did a mid-season cleaning. Turned out to not be necessary, but having done it, I know with certainty we're good to go through the end of heating season in May.
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
CrawfordCentury said:Carbon_Liberator said:You could also try one of these.
Yup. To my mind, salt, aluminium cans, store-bought products, voodoo, whatever - I just don't get the peace of mind that comes with getting up on the roof with a brush and rods.
We burn only well-seasoned wood in a good hot stove. But this year's mild New England fall and winter got me concerned so I did a mid-season cleaning. Turned out to not be necessary, but having done it, I know with certainty we're good to go through the end of heating season in May.
Hmmm . . . voodoo . . . now you've got me thinking . . . if I made a little voodoo mock up of my woodstove and chimney and stuck a Q-tip down the mocked-up chimney . . . .
CrawfordCentury
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firefighterjake said:CrawfordCentury said:Carbon_Liberator said:You could also try one of these.
Yup. To my mind, salt, aluminium cans, store-bought products, voodoo, whatever - I just don't get the peace of mind that comes with getting up on the roof with a brush and rods.
We burn only well-seasoned wood in a good hot stove. But this year's mild New England fall and winter got me concerned so I did a mid-season cleaning. Turned out to not be necessary, but having done it, I know with certainty we're good to go through the end of heating season in May.
Hmmm . . . voodoo . . . now you've got me thinking . . . if I made a little voodoo mock up of my woodstove and chimney and stuck a Q-tip down the mocked-up chimney . . . .
Uh-oh. Hope yer on good speaking terms with the other boys at the BFD.
I will say that you're sure to give the ins. claims adjuster a good chuckle when he goes to review your file.
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