Smelling smoke from my enviro m55 cast
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jtakeman
Minister of Fire
kykel said:
Have a look here! 1st one has a vid~
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Resize-a-picture-using-Paint
or
http://www.wikihow.com/Resize-a-JPEG
hey I just sent a pic but was just messing around didn't think it would go through. I work on getting better ones
jtakeman
Minister of Fire
jtakeman
Minister of Fire
I have found leaks around the combustion exhaust fan discharge. It can be found between the fan housing and the connection plate. If you have trouble finding it I can include photos.
The tell tale for me was ash and obvious markings left from hot gas flow on the metal.
The tell tale for me was ash and obvious markings left from hot gas flow on the metal.
JBiBBs5
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kykel said:
I did a nice long burn on high this weekend but it didn't solve my problem. The paint must be fully cured by now and the smell only comes out of the far left hole on the blower. I must be having the exact same problem you were having so I'm going to give the installer a call and have him reseal the adapter.
jbibb
If you open the left panel and look at the exhaust blower you will see its bolted to the blower housing. if you follow the housing to the flat square flange that the exaust pipe hooks up to it should have calk around it. Mine was missing some caulk on the top half and the convection blower was sucking the smell through tha left side tubes.
easy fix for me and no smell since. I dont know if the steel m55 is the same as the cast as far as how the internal parts are layed out.
good luck with your stove
If you open the left panel and look at the exhaust blower you will see its bolted to the blower housing. if you follow the housing to the flat square flange that the exaust pipe hooks up to it should have calk around it. Mine was missing some caulk on the top half and the convection blower was sucking the smell through tha left side tubes.
easy fix for me and no smell since. I dont know if the steel m55 is the same as the cast as far as how the internal parts are layed out.
good luck with your stove
sorry i just realized you have the cast also so look at that spot. Curious to see if its the same problem I had
jtakeman
Minister of Fire
If it is? I'll pass it along. If one of you can post or PM me a picture?
Proof is in the pudding! ;-)
Proof is in the pudding! ;-)
I also have a stove manufactured by Sherwood Industries (VistaFlame VF100) which was missing caulk IN THE SAME SPOT (I found it last week while sealing up the venting). Though, to be fair, it wasn't on the top--it was on the bottom.
JBiBBs5
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kykel said:
I'm going to look into this as soon as I get home from work.
How did you open the left panel?
JBiBBs5
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I found this picture in the technical manual and I can see the area that you're referring to. If my problem is the same one you were having it looks like it could be an easy fix.
The installer is scheduled to come take a look at the issue on Friday but I'm hoping to resolve the it myself before then.
The installer is scheduled to come take a look at the issue on Friday but I'm hoping to resolve the it myself before then.
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The spot is on the other side of the flange that you see in the picture. Mine is all silver in color with black caulk around it
Good Luck
The spot is on the other side of the flange that you see in the picture. Mine is all silver in color with black caulk around it
Good Luck
JBiBBs5
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Hey guys, I've got an update.
I took the left panel off and could see the black caulking over the silver flange. The hopper makes it impossible to see the right side but from what I could see everything looked like it was sealed pretty good. So I blacked out the room and got out the flashlight.
I saw the smoke!! For the first time I could see it instead of just smelling it. It looked like it was coming from the bottom of the T where the piece pops off for cleaning. I think that if it were coming from the inside where the flange is it would have been sucked back in before it could have ever made it out to the T, right?
Anyway, I used some of the Rutland 500 and caulked up the T and also around the adapter. I'll let that dry then fire it up again.
I'm really hoping my problem is solved and will post an update shortly.
I took the left panel off and could see the black caulking over the silver flange. The hopper makes it impossible to see the right side but from what I could see everything looked like it was sealed pretty good. So I blacked out the room and got out the flashlight.
I saw the smoke!! For the first time I could see it instead of just smelling it. It looked like it was coming from the bottom of the T where the piece pops off for cleaning. I think that if it were coming from the inside where the flange is it would have been sucked back in before it could have ever made it out to the T, right?
Anyway, I used some of the Rutland 500 and caulked up the T and also around the adapter. I'll let that dry then fire it up again.
I'm really hoping my problem is solved and will post an update shortly.
stoveguy13
Minister of Fire
the tee cap can leak if you didnt fix it you might want to take the cap off and re-seat it and then silicone it
SmokeyTheBear
Minister of Fire
Use 3M high temperature aluminum tape to seal Tee caps a lot easier to remove to clean than silicon.
SmokeyTheBear
Minister of Fire
JBiBBs5 said:
If where the exhaust blower mounts to the stove isn't sealed smoke can be drawn in by the convection fan, the combustion blower will also expel smoke because the pressure can be positive along a portion of the flange.
Your leak doesn't have to be in the same place others have a leak.
The thing about any smoke leaks in the lower portion of the exhaust system is they are close enough to the convection blower for it to just suck the smoke in and push it through the heat exchangers.
Im glad you both found your leaks. funny that one was in the same spot as mine. Im finally getting to enjoy mine. Keep me posted on how your fire burns in the pot. Mine is barely visible in the burn pot at times. I think this is due to the pellets im burning. Much nicer flame at the dealers stove.
Eatonpcat
Minister of Fire
kykel said:
Not sure about your pellets, But I have Pro-pellets and Somersets (SP). The pro-P make a much larger flame.
JBiBBs5
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JBiBBs5
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So the leak ended up being worse than I originally thought. I realized that the T was leaking from the bottom (underneath) which I didn't even think was possible. It's all taped up now but looks awful as you can see from the attached pic.
Fired the stove back up but could still smell smoke so I went leak hunting again. Sure enough, the adapter was leaking too. Now that's all taped up and I let it burn all night. When I woke up the smoke scent was minimal but it still is there.
I'm really getting frustrated with all of this and the installer is coming back on Friday. At this point, there's just no way I'm going to be satisfied until I smell no smoke at all. I've got a 6 month old son in the house and I feel awful every time I wake up and smell smoke.
Fired the stove back up but could still smell smoke so I went leak hunting again. Sure enough, the adapter was leaking too. Now that's all taped up and I let it burn all night. When I woke up the smoke scent was minimal but it still is there.
I'm really getting frustrated with all of this and the installer is coming back on Friday. At this point, there's just no way I'm going to be satisfied until I smell no smoke at all. I've got a 6 month old son in the house and I feel awful every time I wake up and smell smoke.
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I feel your pain. I m fortunate because i direct vented straight out and then added the tee and pipe. If it leaks out side im not to concerned. I put a thin bead of caulk around the first section that was inside the house where the pipes meet. also make sure the bolt that holds the exhaust flange together is tight.
Hang in there.
I feel your pain. I m fortunate because i direct vented straight out and then added the tee and pipe. If it leaks out side im not to concerned. I put a thin bead of caulk around the first section that was inside the house where the pipes meet. also make sure the bolt that holds the exhaust flange together is tight.
Hang in there.
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