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The day Harman Died

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by cimbo190, Jul 18, 2008.

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  1. stoveguy2esw

    stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

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    and you know , that may be part of it. maybe they are pulling the plug due to the extra time it will take to get their normal excellent quality of product and they do not want to lower that standard. im not sure how they are set up but they may not be designed as a factory for that kind of production anyway. we are set up in such a way that we can maintain quality standards at a high volume. they may not be set up that way , not to mention retraining on top of that.

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  2. slls

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    I under stand what you are saying, but the took the orders, this is the computer age. How could they not know what they could produce unless some thing unexpected came up. If not, sounds like poor management.
  3. jtp10181

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    Here is what I can say about this...

    Simply, there is 400% more demand for Harman units than last year. I guess when people go into a buying frenzy like this, the wider known brands are hit harder exponentially. They are producing much more than they did last year and cannot keep up with orders. To increase capacity they need more machines which cannot be acquired overnight.

    They are doing all they can, but cannot meet the demand. They are not running at half capacity or anything like that. We went from a huge slump straight into a frenzy and its going to be a long winter in the hearth biz.

    I don't know anything about the promised units to dealers that were cancelled. Don't know if its true or not. Its unfortunate that people who wanted stoves wont get them but really there is nothing that can be done.
  4. gw2kpro

    gw2kpro New Member

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    There are a lot of very good stoves on the market that are brands other than Harman, some are readily available, some are not.

    I think Harman makes a great product, but reading this board, at times you'd think that they're the only stove manufacturer on the planet.

    If you can't get a Harman, get a quad. They're great units. Or an enviro, very well built.
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    From what I'm seeing in central Maine, Quad dealers have no idea if or when they'll get new stoves. The same goes for Enviro. There are a couple place promising Englander stoves or Summer's Heat stoves. Both of those brands are likely good brands, but, I am unable to get installation. Also, I wanted pretty much a 60,000 BTU or higher stove, which greatly limits my selection.
  6. gw2kpro

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    Yep. I couldn't get my enviro mini (second pellet stove) locally, so I ordered it 3 months ago from a dealer I found in Colorado. They had them on sale for $1199. They were willing to sell it to me but has no idea how to get it to me. So I contacted a freight company and they brought it to my business (in Bangor) for $210. Got into it for about $1450, taxes included, took 8 days to get here from the time I purchased it.

    Brought it home, fired it up in the garage, it runs like a champ, was very impressed by how it's built, learned a whole lot about the stove unpacking it and setting it up myself.

    Of course, I'm fully aware that I'm on my own to do my own repair work if it needs it while it's under warranty.

    Honestly, I've had more trouble getting my vent pipe than getting my stove, that stuff has been backordered for 2 weeks now, it is supposed to ship Monday.
  7. hoverfly

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    Wow!! you got a better deal than I did two months ago on my Mini......Now I am not going to say how much I got mine it's that bad!! :red: Oh well at least I have one, but some how I don't feel bad about what I paid. Go figure....
  8. webbie

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    Lots of potential guesses.....

    1. Harman gets their castings from ----- Vermont Castings! That company went belly up this summer and was/is in limbo. Without castings, there is no Harman (fancier) stoves! VC foundry may be producing some stuff, but lots of news stories in VT told of layoffs.

    you cannot simply transfer these patterns and start new production.....too difficult.

    2. Parent company is transferring sub-assemblies to their other plants in the USA, Mexico and Asia? Or certain entire stoves?

    As to what happened at Harman, if this was a normal year it would probably be NOTHING. What happened was that the buying public got spooked and ran out and bought (or tried to) Harmans.
  9. gw2kpro

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    I was very fortunate. Bear in mind that I have no local support to back it up (I'm assuming you got yours locally). I didn't want to put money down on one and wait, I wanted to find a place that had one in stock that I could buy and get the thing into my garage. They also had the evolution for $1399, that's a really nice unit (85 lb hopper would be sweet) but was too much output for where I wanted to put it. Congrats on the mini! I am extremely impressed on how they are built, everything is easy to get at and very solid construction. I'm almost, ALMOST looking forward to it getting cold enough to burn it. Almost.
  10. hoverfly

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    Yes I got my form a "local" (few towns over) dealer, however is was shipped from another store two hours form my house. As for parts and service I can tolerate being down as it's just to supplement the cost of heating as I have a oil fired furnace that the burner head can be swapped with a propane head. I have all ready use propane for cooking, and drying cloths, no reason not to switch over to for heat on a back up use as now I have a pellet stove. I still got oil, so I will switch over next year. Yes I am impressed with the design, however I have not yet installed it and it's still in the box.
  11. stoveguy2esw

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    VC's foundry is up and running , we are getting a lot of our doors from them i dont think that would be the issue.
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    Yes, according to the Randoph Herald, VC foundries were in production again several weeks ago. The demand is there and it's high.
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    After all that seems to have come out since this original post. The question is open - is Harman dead?

    With the news of Quadrafire and potentiallly Travis being delayed, perhaps Harman may have a shot at recovering from this fiasco, but the better start real soon.
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