"As Heating Oil Soars, Users Shiver and Cross Their Fingers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/b...-surge-and-many-in-northeast-cant-switch.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/b...-surge-and-many-in-northeast-cant-switch.html
BrotherBart said:"As Heating Oil Soars, Users Shiver and Cross Their Fingers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/b...-surge-and-many-in-northeast-cant-switch.html
amateur cutter said:Wow $ 2300.00+ per year that has gotta hurt bad. I feel for those folks. I wonder what the regs are for wood heat in downtown Manhattan. LOL
BeGreen said:And they mocked Carter for warning of exactly this outcome.
gyrfalcon said:BeGreen said:And they mocked Carter for warning of exactly this outcome.
Did they? I wasn't paying attention at the time. He was right, as is Obama, IMO (of whom I am not otherwise much of a fan), in his semi-frantic push for getting green energy commercial development.
Grisu said:gyrfalcon said:BeGreen said:And they mocked Carter for warning of exactly this outcome.
Did they? I wasn't paying attention at the time. He was right, as is Obama, IMO (of whom I am not otherwise much of a fan), in his semi-frantic push for getting green energy commercial development.
They certainly mocked the "Limits to Growth" and the Club of Rome. http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20090209/limits-growth-author-honored-once-ridiculed-warnings
But they were pretty much spot-on. We/our economy are addicted to growth but that's just not going to work on a planet with mostly finite resources. We are living in interesting times (a Chinese curse).
pen said:What kills me is that the oil companies are telling us that my neck of the woods is the "Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas" yet, I'll never burn a damn drop of the stuff.
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gyrfalcon said:That's about what it was costing me in the oil price spike a few years ago, which we're coming back up close to now. In NYC apartments, the cost of heat is included in the rent, so you don't have a choice in the matter.
Same here pen, I even have my natural gas line ran down to the road within ten foot of my neighbors line that is hooked up and Columbia gas told me it would be around $10000 for a tap on the line. It gets me pissed off just thinking about it Needles to say I don't have natural gas and probably never will at that price.pen said:What kills me is that the oil companies are telling us that my neck of the woods is the "Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas" yet, I'll never burn a damn drop of the stuff.
pen
homebrewz said:gyrfalcon said:That's about what it was costing me in the oil price spike a few years ago, which we're coming back up close to now. In NYC apartments, the cost of heat is included in the rent, so you don't have a choice in the matter.
I'm all for alternative forms of fuel, but efficiency and old heating systems are a part of the problem too. In some of those buildings the heat has two settings, on and off. During winter, someone I know in the city frequently has a couple of windows cracked to keep the place comfortable.
jharkin said:Actually a lot of those old buildings in NYC still burn heavy bunker oil - The think stuff you need to preheat that used to be common in large ships, etc. Very dirty too, full of all kinds of heavy metals. There have been articles in the NYT lately about efforts to convert them to #2 or gas.
jharkin said:Actually a lot of those old buildings in NYC still burn heavy bunker oil - The think stuff you need to preheat that used to be common in large ships, etc. Very dirty too, full of all kinds of heavy metals. There have been articles in the NYT lately about efforts to convert them to #2 or gas.