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  1. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    I just looked in stove and up pipe, There is a thin layer of tar on stove walls and up chimney!!! Is it safe to burn with this in the stove? I got some fire wood from Food Lion about 3 weeks go and that was the last wood that I burn in the stove. The cats look fine and have no tar on them.

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  3. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    I am going to try Rutland Creosote remover. Let you know how it works.
  4. Woody Stover

    Woody Stover Minister of Fire

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    I don't know if that stuff is safe for use with a catalytic combustor. Yes, you would be bypassing the combustor when using it, but I'm still not sure...some would still go through the cat. The Rutland product contains trisodium phosphate. I'm trying to find out if it's OK to use with a cat, but I'm busy until later... Will let you know what I find.
    Is this a new development, since you installed the cat? Could that tar have been in the pipe before, you just didn't see it? You are probably burning a lower fire with the cat in there, so that may explain the layer on the stove walls. If you cat is clean, I'm assuming that it has been lighting off and burning the gunk, so the cat is clean like you said. Your wood isn't real dry either, is it? If the cat is indeed burning, I wouldn't think you would have the tar in the pipe. Do you have any way of confirming that the cat is burning? Can you see it glow? Is the stove putting out a lot of heat on a low burn?
  5. Jags

    Jags Moderate Moderator Staff Member

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    From the technical data sheet for the Rutland:

    "Bypass the catalytic converter until the flue temperature is approximately 300F"
  6. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Here what the Technical Data Sheet says "Catalytic Converter: Bypass the catalytic converter
    until the flue temperature is approximately 300°F.
    The use of a stove thermometer is recommended."
  7. mellow

    mellow Resident Stove Connoisseur

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    With brand new cats and your luck Stan, I wouldn't use that stuff, stick a brush down it.
  8. Woody Stover

    Woody Stover Minister of Fire

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    Ah. I pulled that up but didn't read that far. ;em Thanks. I'm trying to get back outside to stack some soft Maple.

    I'd still like some answers, though. Stan has been pretty quiet since putting the cat in, and I'd be interested in an update. ==c
  9. Heatsource

    Heatsource Minister of Fire

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    Its very hard to sweep tar like soot, you just wipe it around
    apply Cre-Away, then sweep in a week or so
    Link here
  10. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    300* at 12" on pipe 275* at 18" on pipe stove top at 450* but by pass still open
  11. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    2 to 3 Days after I put the cats I fire up the stove. the wood I was burn was from Food Lion.
  12. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    try to typing in one room and watch the wood stove in another
  13. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    A1 I need the stove tonight. Can not wait on delivery of an online order.
  14. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    No and no. Got to order a 71/4" probe for the cats. When I said clean I am say it dose not have tar creosote on them just looks like soot.
  15. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Will it really has not been that cold since I put the cats in. So I may have only burn 3 or 4 days when the temp got under 55* last week.
  16. Woody Stover

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    Good deal; The probe will give you a good idea what's going on. The Fv probe doesn't reach all the way back to the cat, so it's not giving me a true cat temp reading. I can see the cat through the front glass though so if it's glowing, I know it's lit. It doesn't always glow when it's burning smoke, but the stove top will get hotter over the cat so that's a good indicator, too.
    When I take the cat out, all it has on it is ash which I can blow out with lung power.
  17. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    I am at 400* stove top right now 250* pipe on 5 splits. Putting off good for 45* outside temp inside 79*. by pass still open and fan is on mid. It looks like that stuff has done something the the creosote on the back wall of the stove. When should I close the by pass?
  18. pen

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    Those temps sound too low yet to me to engage considering your weather / possible draft. I'm thinking with the warm (yes I know it's relative, but with wood burning, the outside temps you are describing are warm) temps outside, you are suffering from low draft that may be keeping your fire from taking off like it should.

    Also, since I'm assuming the food lion wood is well dried (it should be for the price) you may find trying to load the wood into the stove in a different pattern / way may help it burn as hot as it should.

    pen
  19. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Pen, the more I think about I should have whet with a 6" set up instead of the 8"setup I have at 15'. it burn better N/S then E/W but N/S and E/W on top burn good to.
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    pen There are some who call me...mod. Staff Member

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    Yea :(

    With that short a chimney, in your climate, I think you nailed it.

    pen
  21. DexterDay

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    Are you using a blower? A blower will cause a build up of black on the back wall.

    I just took the bricks out of my 30 last weekend (small cleaning, did flue, cap, etc) and WOW!!! I never had anything like that last year. But I didn't have the blower last year.

    The blower cools the stoves back wall to much, and top if it has a convection deck? Your stove looks like an insert? So the blower, may be cooling to much of the body, causing it to cool in certain spots??
  22. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Dexter the 52 Bay insert and the freestanding stove look the same. Now my stove is an old 52 Bay

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  23. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    I hope someone will see this...... How dose pipe look, how dose my cats look? Need to start a fire tonight its going to be 28* .... Now this is after the 2 scoop of Rutland Creosote remover..

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  24. Dairyman

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    Looks like the chimney needs a brush Stan. Stove and cats look ok to me. Did you get the cat chamber sealed up good?
  25. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    yes

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