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Ticks ( any suggestions)

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by cptoneleg, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. trailmaker

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  2. Cluttermagnet

    Cluttermagnet Minister of Fire

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    Here's where I ordered Permethrin on line. I bought the 8 oz. size. Very reasonable price and shipping. That one bottle would dilute down to about 160 oz of spray, and it would take me a long time to use that much. (Make smaller batches) The bottle has a built in measuring reservoir like the bottles of 2-cycle oil additive do. Easy. Get an old empty spray bottle and go to town.

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    BK- So glad to hear your symptoms are at least abating. Doxycycline is good stuff. I think it is a good idea for most every person who works outdoors to get their Doc to write them a prescription for one course of Doxycycline (usually 14-20 doses) to keep on hand. Easier said than done, but can be done. The Docs are very gun shy of potential liabilities in prescribing prophylactically for currently non- existent conditions. Speed is of the essence with Lyme, it appears. No time to wait to see a doctor. Most folks should be able to safely take Doxycycline (but be sure!). So far as I understand, Doxycycline or Cipro would be your best bet against Lyme. I think Cipro is a lot more expensive(?)

    The medical field is a bloodly mess. Personally, I shun orthodoxy, as I feel that 'medicine' has been overrun by a bunch of lawsuit averse, money grubbing folks- the very worst of them being the unholy insurers , probably one of the worst parasites mankind currently suffers under. But OTOH there are indeed nests of pseudo- natural 'healers' as well, so caveat emptor ("let the buyer beware!"). I do believe that for most things, finding one of the rare, truly good natural healers is your best bet. OTOH if I ever suffer serious physical injuries, I won't hesitate to get myself to a good, reputable emergency room at a local hospital. Orthopedic physicians have a pretty good track record of healing broken bones, for example. Not to disparage faith healers, mind you, but I believe the physicians have an edge here. I believe that emergency medicine is where that field still shines- or at least still earns its keep.

    That being said, the orthodox medical field is awash with quacks IMO. Particularly noteworthy is the field of conventional oncology. What a mess! They will never find a cure for cancer because they are not really looking. That field is largely self- deluded IMO. Take the time to truly research the shabby state of affairs in 'cancer research' before you jump down my throat. After years of 'research', they continue to try to overcome cancer by burning it out, cutting it out, or poisoning it out. And that doesn't work for a vast majority of cases because they are only treating symptoms and not going after the root causes. Their cure rates are abysmal. Fact is, that is a very profitable field right now- for all but the stricken. And they want to keep it that way. It breaks my heart to see all those women 'marching for the cure' every year. Their hard- earned funds will likely be squandered by folks who profit more from the status quo and have little actual financial interest in any real 'cures'. BTW the real 'cure' is prevention, and that comes from health. Sadly most people haven't a clue what a healthy diet or lifestyle really is- but they think they do. It's a bit complicated when the world is awash in lies and misinformation, and the food supply is mostly not sufficient to sustain health. So much bad food!

    I believe that those entering the physician training mills truly mean well and have honorable intentions. Before long, most of them that survive are reduced to little more than pharmaceutical gateways. See the ads on TV, with big pharma marketing directly to their potential patients, for ample proof of that. The patient arrives with a script about how to discuss their 'self-diagnosis' with their doc. Poor Doc becomes little more than a high- priced ticket puncher at that point. Few of them dare take back the power they long ago ceded to big pharma. To question orthodoxy is to put your license and practice at risk. "Shut up and keep paddling, Doctor".

    Probably Lyme is an 'orphan' disease because there is not enough money to be made. But by practicing misdirection (misdiagnosis) one can happily treat the wrong disease for years, and it's covered under insurance that way. My own trust of much of conventional Western medicine ('allopathic' medicine) has become badly eroded. You appear to be learning the same truth- that there is no substitute for doing your own research, questioning authority, and being open to alternative ideas. "The truth is out there"- it's just buried under many layers of lies, deception, and misinformation. But it really is out there. Ask questions!
  3. Mt Ski Bum

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    I got bit by a wood tick a couple weeks ago... first time I can remember ever getting bit by a tick... luckily the bastard hadn't started drinking blood yet when I found him (which was about 6 or so hours after I think he first bit me)... they (as well as dog ticks) supposedly aren't the greatest transporters of Lyme disease, however, they do tend to carry Rock Mountain Spotted Fever- a rarer, but much more dangerous disease than Lyme, with it being fatal in about 5% of cases (used to be 30% back in the '40's before modern antibiotics came out)... wikipedia says ticks generally can't spread the fever unless they've been attached for at least 24 hrs. (luckily, mine had only been attached for maybe 1/4 of that).
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    Remember stomach ulcers?
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    Geez, I totally forgot about that. Anybody else coming? Will we be able to run some saws there?

    I guess I might be able to come, I'm feeling a lot better than I was just a few days ago. Can't spend any time in the sun because of the antibiotics I'm still on, though. Anyway, PM me the details if you get a chance.
  6. PeteD

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    Well said. It really is a scary mess (the whole situation).
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    Here is another similar angle, permethrin-treated cotton in tubes to turn mice into little tick-killing machines. Not cheap, though.
    http://www.ticktubes.com/press.html
  8. Battenkiller

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    Excellent post, CM! I agree with most all that you say. I stood by and watched helplessly as both my parents were tortured until they finally succumbed to their incurable ailments. You and I and millions of others picked up the Medicare tab for their useless treatments - hundreds of thousands of dollars - only to have them finally die in pain, and without a shred of dignity left.

    I personally wouldn't go so far as to say that all of the conventional docs are quacks, but certainly, the field itself is run by the liars and charlatans who make policy at the very top of the medical food chain.

    As far as the best meds for Lyme, I believe that doxycycline and other tetracyclines are the best of the recommended ones. You have to be careful not to hold them too long, though. Long-expired tetracyclines eventually degrade into neurotoxic substances that can mess you up. If you are hanging onto some for immediate prophylactic measures after a tick bite, get a new script every year if possible, the stuff is certainly cheap enough. AFAIK Cipro and other fluoroquinolones are not effective against Lyme, plus, they are increasingly being found to create disastrous side effects in some individuals. Doxy is the best because it also kills some other tick-borne pathogens that might be transmitted at the same time.
  9. jimbom

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    BK, Sorry for your illness. Hope you have a quick and complete recovery.

    Thank you for the effort put into this thread. The posts motivated me to learn more about ticks, order some permethrin, and get some tick removal tools for the family. Thanks again.
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    Thanks, BK. Yeah, I got a little carried away myself. I'll let stand what I said, but would just like to add that I do believe there are still some good, ethical, effective healers within that field, but they are being marginalized by big pharma and big insurance to the point where it's essentially a crap shoot these days. Some patients get good help, some get needlessly injured or even killed by this berserk medical industry. I can speak from personal experience in this area- I lost two family members needlessly to 'modern medicine' in the past decade.

    Thanks for the reminder about tetracycline shelf life. It can be hard to get this simple, life saving medicine- unless you can present with some sort of 'illness'. Think about that- disadvantaged by being healthy. That's a laugh. I suppose you compensate by becoming a good actor/liar? The docs are so worried about getting sued. I need to refresh my small supply and toss the older stuff I have. BTW I stay away from all 'medicines' of any sort to the greatest extent possible.


  11. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

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    Anyone else out there besides me suddenly find themselves scratching themselves and wondering if that itch is just an itch or a tick moving about?

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