You clearly don't grasp this whole concept yet... I don't care if you don't think those pics are of oak or not, they were posted to demonstrate the rays and they did that job just fine. The OP said he doesn't see any rays in the wood. There is no possibly way it's oak if there aren't rays. I think you're the only person that is insane. I think he means ISeeDeadBTUs is busted... we're trying to help a guy ID his wood by asking questions etc, asking about certain characteristics of the wood, and then he comes along and says, "You're all wrong, see, there is a leaf on the ground that says what it is." That is honestly one of the most laughable things I've seen on here this week. ISeeDeadBTUs, it would certainly help you out if you learned a bit about tree ID before telling us that we're wrong and calling us insane. Your "experience" has been demonstrated by trying to ID a wood by the type of leaf laying next to it on the ground. That wood has clearly been dead a couple years, there is no way there would be any leaves from the same tree still on the ground. You made an amateur mistake admit it and move on.