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  1. CaddyUser Member

    joined: Nov 28, 2008
    98 posts
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Agreed! Unless you can locate a hoisting winch that has an independent safety lock system, the brake is inevitably going to fail. The worst case would be when the load is at the second level, and the brake lets go as you are reaching to unload. If someone is anywhere at the ground level, it is not going to be pretty..... The least case scenario is that you will be replacing that nice window on the side of your house as it crashes to the ground....

    Sorry to pour cold water on the idea - I always like new engineering problems, but this is a big no no...
    #26

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  2. Scotty Overkill firewood hoarder

    joined: Sep 24, 2011
    6,822 posts
    central PA
  3. Bret Chase Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 15, 2013
    410 posts
    Maine
    you'd have to strip off a LOT of v-match to even start...
  4. wardk Member

    joined: Jul 19, 2012
    167 posts
    B.C. Canada
  5. Bret Chase Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 15, 2013
    410 posts
    Maine
    either of those would work, I think... it would be a matter of how long they last...
  6. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    Hoist/lift/winch... All the same thing. One has a break, one doesn't, but both are the same motor... I have not spec'd out either, and that is why I want somebody else to build this for me. ;)

    It's really NOT going to be a very big load. 250 is what I want to be spec'd as the MAX LOAD. but it will never have 250 lbs of wood in one sack. More likely 100lbs which is enough splits for a couple days. The gable is not going to have a problem holding up a couple hundred pounds. Common, I just finished hoisting 750lbs up there. I installed 2000 lbs of slate up there,.... And the house regularly gets 100mph winds directly into it. 100 lbs isn't going to finish it off! ;)

    Not only that, the load will be split to several points, some back to the hoist motors bracket, some to the bottom brace under the pulley, some to the top brace.... Each will end up with just a little load.

    So who wants to build it?
  7. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    Those look perfect. Just mount it sideways, bolted to a beefy steel L bracket so the cable comes out horizontally out to the pulley.
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  8. Fins59 Member

    joined: Apr 11, 2009
    54 posts
    Wisconsin - Wausau area
    Don't know if this was covered, didn't read every post.
    Give this a thought. Anchor a pulley up above your deck. Hook a cable to your load of wood. Run cable up through pulley and back down to a vehicle on ground. Drive vehicle forward to raise load. Back up vehicle to lower empty platform or what ever you have. No motors or winches to burn out.
    Of course that pulley would have to anchored very strongly (in any scenario).
  9. Mr A Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    435 posts
    N. California
    This looks interesting.
  10. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    LOL! LOL! LOL! What the hell is that guy doing with all that wood up there? He must have 10 chord up there?

    But he's got the right idea, I just would rather use a motor than taking a ride down every time! ;)
  11. Mr A Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    435 posts
    N. California
    My thought, it looks like the drying room. did you notice the trap door and the rail on top enabling the load to be craned laterally? Get it up and moved a bit horizontally. i like this one
  12. BobUrban Minister of Fire

    joined: Jul 24, 2010
    942 posts
    Central Michigan
    I agree that 100lbs. probably will not pull the house down - I would be more concerned with repeated use and anchored to wood. And I would be more concerned with the weird and wonderful! A tool like this can get abused like when someone thinks, "there has got to be a way to get that new refrigerator up here with this?" And the ever present kids!! I know if we had something like that growing up it would be a toy. When the cats away.... Put a lock on it and save some headaches.
  13. Ehouse Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jul 22, 2011
    477 posts
    Upstate NY
    For a small load like this, I'd favor an anchor point below the peak, and a 1/2 ton chain fall. Even if you fumble the pull, the load will not drop; both up and down are controlled. Could be on a short,(well anchored) cantilever arm, or trolly if you'd like. Pull chain can be run back onto the porch so no leaning out.

    Ehouse
  14. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    NO KIDS! SAY NOOOOO TO KIDS! There are NO kids in my house! ;) Besides that, this would be the least toy to have to worry about. The house has unprotected catwalks, dangerous spral staircases, the deck... They will have plenty of "fun" before they even get to this thing!

    Still looking for somebody on LI to come and install it! Who's in?
  15. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,071 posts
    N.E. Penna
    how about a power ladder instead?

    http://www.powrladder.com/

    That's one type. The one used to use wasn't revolving, and would have to be lowered to get re-loaded with materials. Not sure what the weight limit was on it, but it put up whatever we put on it when roofing.

    pen
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  16. gzecc Minister of Fire

    joined: Sep 24, 2008
    2,852 posts
    NNJ
    I don't know if there is anyone on the forum that crazy to do it for you.
  17. Joful Minister of Fire

    joined: Mar 7, 2012
    2,632 posts
    Philadelphia
    If you go back to your first posts, where you laid out your intentions to install a wood stove in your third floor, I think a few of us predicted this eventuality. In other words... what took you so long? ;lol
  18. wardk Member

    joined: Jul 19, 2012
    167 posts
    B.C. Canada
    What about a hay elevator .
  19. 711mhw Feeling the Heat

    joined: Dec 7, 2010
    341 posts
    Western ME
    I agree with Como & Pen posts 11 & 40. I know them as "ladervators" that the roofers use. It could be premanently mounted (vertically) and prolly run with and electric motor instead of gas. The roofers set them up (like a ladder) at an angle but that's so it will stay there on it's own. They'll bring up 2-3 bundles of shingles to the eave in seconds. They only have a small platform, but that would be easy to modify to hold at least a few arm loads of wood. It would take 2 people to operate this. Might just be a cheap way out!
  20. Como Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 28, 2008
    855 posts
    Colorado


    I bought some of these bags, they hold about 1/3rd of a cord. I can think of some full sized Americans I have met who could do that trick. Their problem would be getting up the Stairs....

    The electric winch pictured earlier is the HF model I have, it comes in different capacities.

    As this is going to be a permanent fixture I would favour the trap door approach, winch it up, put the floor back in, drop and done.

    I have friends who do it manually, he parks the truck underneath and hands up the logs for her to stack.
  21. Como Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 28, 2008
    855 posts
    Colorado
    Just went back and looked and realise you can not do the hole in the deck.

    So back to my first thought:



    This uses a ladder and the HF hoist. For a permanent install I would look to use I beam, bolt it onto the side of the house and the structural issues go away.
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  23. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    I had this idea WAAAAY before even thinking about getting a stove. ;). Aka groceries, packages, wood for fireplace... It was always part of plan.
  24. Machria Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 6, 2012
    857 posts
    Brookhaven, Long Island
    The ladder type hoists are much too intrusive looking for a perm install. It's going to be a simple wire type hoist, it's just a matter of how I get a bracket made for it....
  25. Mr A Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 18, 2011
    435 posts
    N. California
    Some sort of dumbwaiter would be your best option. Depending on your budget, lots of ideas on YouTube searching ":Dumbwaiter" these seem a bit pricey to me, but do look very easy to install http://www.dumbwaiters.com/

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