We have been burning for years, and we always stack our split wood on cement blocks and 2x4's or 4x4's- about 10" -12" off ground... all neatly stacked... (our unsplit wood remains on ground until split in the back) We just had an unwelcome visitor- the Board of Heath.... They are telling us all wood must be stacked at least 18" off ground- 2 cement blocks and 2x4.... To me, that is ridiculous and dangerous... Currently, we have over 15 cords of wood stacked with more unsplit wood on ground... We are willing to move unsplit wood off ground-10"-12"... but to restack all the split wood in the middle of winter??????????? the actual ordinance reads "building materials must be stacked 18" off ground"- Board of Health insists that building materials and firewood are one in the same... Has anyone ever faced this dilemma???
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Backwoods Savage
Minister of Fire
Welcome to the forum anderzoo.
I would ask to see documentation on their claim of firewood being a building material. Somebody's word, even if an inspector still has to be questioned. Perhaps he has misinterpreted something.
I would also call Bull on it and not follow the ordinance. Go to a town hall meeting and object.
I would ask to see documentation on their claim of firewood being a building material. Somebody's word, even if an inspector still has to be questioned. Perhaps he has misinterpreted something.
I would also call Bull on it and not follow the ordinance. Go to a town hall meeting and object.
I think that's a silly misinterpretation of a regulation. Is the inspector young or new to the position?
I also wonder if someone (neighbor?) objected to seeing stacked firewood and has complained about it. I hate to think that way, but there are plenty of people out there who think firewood is "messy" or unsightly or poses a threat because it may harbor vermin.
I would be unwilling to restack 15 cord of wood that has already been processed, too, unless faced with relentless bureaucracy and a hefty fine. I would most certainly challenge the order to restack with quiet logic and in a spirit of cooperation.
I also wonder if someone (neighbor?) objected to seeing stacked firewood and has complained about it. I hate to think that way, but there are plenty of people out there who think firewood is "messy" or unsightly or poses a threat because it may harbor vermin.
I would be unwilling to restack 15 cord of wood that has already been processed, too, unless faced with relentless bureaucracy and a hefty fine. I would most certainly challenge the order to restack with quiet logic and in a spirit of cooperation.
smokinj
Minister of Fire
Cowboy Billy
Minister of Fire
Well where my Dad lives Taylor MI. The code is that the piles have to start 18" from the ground. They say its to keep rats from living under them. But I think its just to make it harder to store wood.
Billy
Billy
golfandwoodnut
Minister of Fire
I say it BS. It even sounds too high for building material, and as you say a safety hazard of falling on someone. I would challenge it and say where does it say firewood is a building material?
JustWood
Minister of Fire
Someone don't like your wood pile. They don't just show up unless they're called.
I woodn't worry about it.
They have better things to do besides raz you bout your wood pile.
I woodn't worry about it.
They have better things to do besides raz you bout your wood pile.
JerseyWreckDiver
New Member
I agree with many of the others posters,
1) Somebody called them and complained...
2) Firewood is classified as a heating fuel not a building material.
Tell him to show you in the building codes specifically where it defines firewood as a building material. He won't be able to.
If you go to your Twp. website there should be a link to the building dept. and further links that should lead to building codes adopted by your Twp. and most towns these days even have a copy of the building & residential codes accessible online. Building materials here are defined by the International Building Code published by the ICC. These have been adopted by most, but not all states now. The only thing he could possibly find is logs used for construction, if you have full length logs anywhere he could get you on that, otherwise make him show you code and verse where it says firewood is a building material.
In the end, where health issues are concerned, he is, unfortunately (since he sounds like a bufoon), the Athority Having Jurisdiction. Be cooperative and if you must, agree that any future wood brought onto the property and stacked will be stacked off the ground.
If need be, you could call the state Department of Community Affairs. At least here in NJ, they regulate the building officials and govern interpretation/enforcement of the codes.
1) Somebody called them and complained...
2) Firewood is classified as a heating fuel not a building material.
Tell him to show you in the building codes specifically where it defines firewood as a building material. He won't be able to.
If you go to your Twp. website there should be a link to the building dept. and further links that should lead to building codes adopted by your Twp. and most towns these days even have a copy of the building & residential codes accessible online. Building materials here are defined by the International Building Code published by the ICC. These have been adopted by most, but not all states now. The only thing he could possibly find is logs used for construction, if you have full length logs anywhere he could get you on that, otherwise make him show you code and verse where it says firewood is a building material.
In the end, where health issues are concerned, he is, unfortunately (since he sounds like a bufoon), the Athority Having Jurisdiction. Be cooperative and if you must, agree that any future wood brought onto the property and stacked will be stacked off the ground.
If need be, you could call the state Department of Community Affairs. At least here in NJ, they regulate the building officials and govern interpretation/enforcement of the codes.
Bigg_Redd
Minister of Fire
anderzoo said:
Do not touch your stacks.
Tell that @$$clown to show you the law/policy/regulation. I bet anything it either does not exist, it is open to interpretation, or it is simply misunderstood by that particular jerkweasel.
Next time he stops by ask him if he wants to live under those wood stacks. Then when he says no, Tell him
I don't think any animal wants to live under there either.
I don't think any animal wants to live under there either.
check any town owned property and complain about any downed building material, what the @#$%^???
andybaker
Feeling the Heat
Last winter or the one before, Toledo's mayor got on the inspectors to enforce codes and orinances and ticket people. So, in a city of 200,000 people, an inspector shows up at a little old ladies house, tells them to get their wood 18" off the ground or they'll receive a ticket. The local radio media got wind of it made a big deal about how rediculous that was. Ends up, a local youth group from a church came out and restacked it for her. They even bought the materials to build the new wood racks. Also, in Toledo, this last summer, (you'll laugh) another inspector was going through the old laws on the books and found a real old law that she thought she could make the city a bunch of money on. Years ago when cars were first coming out the tire rubber wasn't near as good as todays technology. When a car was parked on stones they thought that might hurt the tires and cause them to blow while driving creating a hazard for any bystanders. This inspector starts go to people houses and giving them $25 tickets for parking their car in their own driveway. She even made up and printed her own tickets.
I would challenge that inspector straight up. They like to interpret and then enforce that way. If they're not challenged they will become rogue. I've had to deal with Health Inspectors over the years and sometimes you've got to stand up. Respect them but be firm, they have a job to do, but they don't like too much fight back too much if they're wrong.
Good Luck
I would challenge that inspector straight up. They like to interpret and then enforce that way. If they're not challenged they will become rogue. I've had to deal with Health Inspectors over the years and sometimes you've got to stand up. Respect them but be firm, they have a job to do, but they don't like too much fight back too much if they're wrong.
Good Luck
Sometimes I think those inspectors have to much time on there hands. Perrysburg township did something like that a few years ago. They were writing citations
for buildings being to close to the road. Well after someone started digging around, comes to find out those buildings were put in before the ordanance was passed.
for buildings being to close to the road. Well after someone started digging around, comes to find out those buildings were put in before the ordanance was passed.
myzamboni
Minister of Fire
All the ones that said someone complained about you is probably correct.
I'm one of those people that knock on your door, but I don't work for the health department. Typically, most people will call their local health department first when they want to complain about something. They are familiar with that agency and it is always easy to come up with an excuse that the neighbor is contributing to the growth of mosquitoes, rats, snakes or has a sewage problem due to unsightly firewood all over the place. The complaint is usually weak and they will usually say enough "buzzwords" until the inspector is obligated to come out and look around. I've heard it all. They usually call us after the call to the health department is unfruitful.
I wouldn't worry about it. If you hear from them again, make them cite you the specific rule/regulation that requires the firewood to be stacked in that manner. You don't have to be a jerk, but as someone said, be firm and stand your ground. Don't allow them to interpret the regulation either. it is what it is. If the reg only says building materials, then they don't have a leg to stand on.
Not to be harsh, but from your description, the inspector sounded to be young and dumb......or incompetent. I usually try to help the person I go see. After all, the goal is trying to get them in compliance with the regulations. But, this sounds like total BS, but I'm in Alabama, so I don't know the specific regs up there. I doubt it has any merit though.
Don't be surprised if you see an inspector from another agency. If the complainer is persistent and determined, he/she will call other agencies in hopes of accomplishing their goal.
I'm one of those people that knock on your door, but I don't work for the health department. Typically, most people will call their local health department first when they want to complain about something. They are familiar with that agency and it is always easy to come up with an excuse that the neighbor is contributing to the growth of mosquitoes, rats, snakes or has a sewage problem due to unsightly firewood all over the place. The complaint is usually weak and they will usually say enough "buzzwords" until the inspector is obligated to come out and look around. I've heard it all. They usually call us after the call to the health department is unfruitful.
I wouldn't worry about it. If you hear from them again, make them cite you the specific rule/regulation that requires the firewood to be stacked in that manner. You don't have to be a jerk, but as someone said, be firm and stand your ground. Don't allow them to interpret the regulation either. it is what it is. If the reg only says building materials, then they don't have a leg to stand on.
Not to be harsh, but from your description, the inspector sounded to be young and dumb......or incompetent. I usually try to help the person I go see. After all, the goal is trying to get them in compliance with the regulations. But, this sounds like total BS, but I'm in Alabama, so I don't know the specific regs up there. I doubt it has any merit though.
Don't be surprised if you see an inspector from another agency. If the complainer is persistent and determined, he/she will call other agencies in hopes of accomplishing their goal.
flyingcow
Minister of Fire
StackedLumber
New Member
Sounds about as dumb as an ordinance we have here that says you can't burn planed "building materials". That's right you can't burn a plain ole' 2x4 in a wood burner or a camp fire or a fireplace. if the bark is off it and it's been planed then it can't be burned legally.
We've run into Health Dept. people on occasion. Tried to be fair and listen-asked them to show us in the manuals where it said we had to do what they wanted-their answer was that it was a "matter of interpretation". That's when they were shown the door and haven't had a problem since. Sign of the times, government is hurtin for money, so they'll get it however they can.
We've run into Health Dept. people on occasion. Tried to be fair and listen-asked them to show us in the manuals where it said we had to do what they wanted-their answer was that it was a "matter of interpretation". That's when they were shown the door and haven't had a problem since. Sign of the times, government is hurtin for money, so they'll get it however they can.
Tony H
Minister of Fire
flyingcow said:
Exactly what I would have said two weeks ago before talking with my nephew who is on an internship with the local Police dept.
Turns out this past summer the code compliance dept decided to hire several college kids give them a digital camera and a list of codes to check for. They were out measuring grass looking for wood piles junk cars trash ect. and fined up quite a little profit for the city. I guess it's a new trend to try and bring in some extra cash. One person I know showed me the letter for tree and brush in the down in the back yard and the citation gave her 3 days to clean it up or up to 10,000 a day fine. Talk about crazy! I still think it had to be a typo and should have been 100.00 or even 1,000.00 but 10,000.00 for a tree cleanup .
Back to the 18" off the ground building material deal .One idea is to drive around town and take pictures and addresses of building material stored on the ground looking for any city owned properties and large contractors sites. There was a local fellow here who got crap about his dumpster location and went and found like a dozen in violation on city properties and the local paper was happy to write a story. The city dropped all fines and charges.
quads
Minister of Fire
As goofy as some of the rules and ordinances are out in the country, it's posts like this that make me glad I live far from the city.
flyingcow
Minister of Fire
quads said:
Ditto. Whats a "city"? For that matter, whats a "code officer"?
The closest thing I've seen is a local guy that inspected septic system/leach field before we buried it. Never called him a code officer, just called him Bill, and handed him a beer. One drawback to be out in the country, is if the house catches fire, get everyone out and make sure you grab a bag of marshmallows. Oh yeah, grab a few beers, cause Bill will be back with the volunteer fire dept. Might even show up driving the plow truck, if it's snowing hard.anderzoo what part of indiana do you live in? I deal with health inspectors all the time, pm me with what code number and name, he is quoteing and I will get with the health inspector that regulates us and let you know when he has to say about it. You can look up these codes under www.IN.gov. They might be able to tell you more online.
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