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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Kruegerw, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Huntindog1

    Huntindog1 Minister of Fire

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    Has anyone used a manual pipe damper as an extra level of control. As I am sure there are some flues that have more draw than others.

    Could the manual pipe damper be used to drop the temps in the stove down below the level that secondaries fire and low enough level to just have cat operation. Then open the damper back up.

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  2. rideau

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    Interesting. No black smoke for me. You get black smoke even when loaded on hot coals? Have you talked with Woodstock? Maybe your cat isn't functioning properly. I know some people have had to replace their cats, and understand Woodstock has worked with the cat company to improve or modify the cat...
  3. rideau

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    I have an incredible draft. The first two weeks i had this stove I considered getting a damper...even spoke with Woodstock about it...but the above technique took care of any issues. I don't need a damper. Close the air, secondaries soon go out and cat takes over...if I want the secondaries out.

    I was initially worried because one cannot completely cut off the air to the PH by closing the air inlet, and I was worried about what would happen if I got a really hot stovetop and wnted to cool things down. My Fireview got hotter than I liked a few times in the past. But that has never developed as an issue with this stove. I've never had near 600 on the stove top, even with a really active fire. I believe this is because with the slanted fireback so much heat comes out the window....it doesn't seem to build up as much in the stove....
  4. Todd 2

    Todd 2 Feeling the Heat

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    This is some good reading, please keep the PH threads going for I have one on order. There must be alot of people ordering these stoves that are not on this site because when I ordered mine ( first of September ) the gave me a middle of November delivery date due to over volume of orders for the PH, interesting ! Reading about the chimney set ups is great cause that will be a ??? for me when I install it. My PE summit does a good job but more heat for less wood sounds better, plus I have a buyer for my Summit. Shoulder season 16-20-25-30 hr. plus burns are not as important to me here in Ohio cause here the weather don't have as much shoulder season as further north. But when it does get cold 35 deg. to low teens for Dec. Jan. Feb. I want a stove I can fill every 10-12 hrs and throws alot of heat, not just break the chill but 75 + in side for the three cold months, 24-7 burning then. A really close to 3 q.ft. fire box ( like my PE ) but almost 2 X the mass of my PE has to do something better for more btu's during the 24-7 burn times like when my steel stove is still burning but cooling down those last 3 to 4 hrs of the heat cycle. that mass seems like its gotta make a difference ? Hot btu's more even between load times and easy on wood, I hope Im not asking for to much more than my Summit stove does, but its gonna be very interesting having owned this one and trying something totally different. Cant wait to get it and play, 6 month money back was the deal maker choosing either a BK or a big cast stove or this PH. keep the threads going people, Good Stuff !
    This new stove on order is more exciting than a brand new truck, it would just wind up with wood dents anyways.
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    At the tail end of a burn cycle, the stove has cooled to the point where the cat won't be active on reload. Even with hot coals I need time to get the heat back up so the cat fires off. If not the cat will remained stalled. The cat is working although not as good as when new. Are the improved cat available or are they still working on them?
  6. rdust

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    I never said it was a "problem" that the stove acted this way, just that it doesn't operate like a traditional cat stove. No where did I attack the stove, I posted what the manufacture already has on their site. I still think using this method long term is going to mess up the cat but only time will tell us that. To me the stove is still just a secondary type stove with a cat to clean up the left overs. This isn't a problem and it's obviously really clean burning due to this. In my opinion it's just not the stove for someone looking for stove that acts like a traditional cat.

    I think I'll step away from this thread now, I don't want to ruffle anymore feathers.
  7. fire_man

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    I filled my Progress 1/3 full from a cold star today - then got it hot, shut the air completely, and the secondaries NEVER FIRED. It burned 100% in cat mode - stovetop climbed to about 400 F before peaking. Very Happy.
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  8. mliiiwit

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    Please read my post from February regarding dark cat mode operation - link below. The draft control must be rotated to full horizontal, i.e. the draft plate is fully closed. On my PH the draft control hits a bit of resistance before closing completely and if left at this position the secondaries will remain active. If I apply a bit more force, the draft will rotate to full horizontal and the secondaries will go out in a few minutes. If my stove burns hot in this mode, there will be an occasional back puff as others have mentioned. I have not found the back puffing to be a concern. Additionally, this mode is dirty for the firebox but when I cleaned my flue this spring there was maybe a 1/4 cup of ash. I have a top vent and there was actually more debris in the stove at the bottom of the vent than there was in the flue.

    http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/my-woodstock-progress-method-for-a-slow-burn.78746/#post-1075756
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  9. Waulie

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    Nice Tony!

    I've been doing this for the last couple weeks. I find even when loading on hot coals I can burn about a 60% load with basically no secondaries. The main reason I'm not concerned about cat only mode with a full firebox is because I can get a 12 hour all cat burn with a 60% load and 12 hours works great for me. If I need more heat, I put more wood in, but I can run 12 hour cycles with a little heat or a ton of heat. Works for me!

    I almost never run completely closed, but very close. My "low" setting is to completely close the draft then just notch it open the tiniest bit.
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  10. rideau

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    Same finding re ash for me, essentially.
  11. Joful

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    What small hole near the glass? I've been over and thru this stove, and have never seen it.
  12. Todd

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    Nothing wrong with that, most people would be very pleased to get consistant 12 hour burns especially if you could maintain those 12 hour burns no matter the weather.
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    Look exactly in the center between the two steel log posts. Its at the bottom of the vertical wall just before it hits the base. There is a 1/8" hole - it can become covered if the ashes get too deep.
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    I think you must be talking about a Woodstock Progress, not my stove! ;lol
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    Dude, you asked!
  16. Joful

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    Nope... Read back further. Simple misunderstanding.
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    Nope... Read back further. Simple misunderstanding.
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    I thought Joful was talking about the Progess - but I guess he was talking about a Jotul.
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    The response was helpful. I'll locate that air source and try to keep it free of ash...I have seen the tendrils of flame coming up from it, but only vaguely worried about covering it....seems from the description of exactly where it is as if it may be hard to NOT cover it if there is any deent ash bed....
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    It takes a pretty deep layer of ash, but the hole does get covered. On a side note:

    I WANT IT TO GET COLD SO I CAN START BURNING!!!!!!!!

    (sorry I'm shouting:confused: )
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    I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WAIT ANOTHER THREE MONTHS! ! !
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  22. pfd286

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    I have had mine a bit over a week. It burns clean, hot and evenly. My chimne has been lined w/ a true 6" round liner with thermix insulation around it so the chimney drafts well but the stove should probably have a 7" flue collar instead of a 6". even with the damper open thre is quite a 'path' the smoke needs to travel to get into the flue and I dont think a 6" is quite enough draft.
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    Don't understand why people think they would prefer it to be cat only. Had a Woodstock cat. Have the PH. It is easier to use and more efficient than the FIreview, which is saying a lot. There is absolutely NO reason I can imagine to prefer this stove be straight cat.
  24. Huntindog1

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    I think some are looking for more burn time. I my self think 16 hours is plenty.

    But some are away from home longer periods of time and need the longer burn times.

    The idea is the extra air getting in from the secondaries are shortening the burn time.
  25. Todd

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    Personal preference. If it were a straight cat I think it would burn longer at a lower output which is what I want for shoulder season burns. I want to fill a stove up full and control the output with the air control, not regulate by the amount of wood in the box. For some people it's not that big of a deal and they are fine with a 12 hour or less loading schedule but I want more.

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