Woodstock stove porn

[BrowningBAR]

I'd like to answer some of the questions that have been posed since I was last here yesterday afternoon. Yes, there will be andirons behind the glass to protect the air wash system. No, you will not be able to see the cat through the front glass (the secondaries should provide a pretty good light show though) and access to it will be through a lift up top lid similar to the Fireview. (One of the prototypes had a glass lid so you could see the cat but ultimately we decided soapstone in the lid was the better choice.) The steel firebox shell does several things. There will be fewer seams, which will make it decidedly less prone to leakage. It's a better (and easier) support material for the upper combustion chamber. It will allow both exterior and interior soapstone pieces to be easily replaced (if need be) without having to take the stove apart, and, it will allow us to readily create a second "econo-version" of the stove, down the road, if we choose to do so.

Clearances?

 

[RS267]

Don't know the clearances yet. Those will come out of the EPA cert test. Our internal testing was all about minimizing emissions and maximizing output.

 

[firefighterjake]

Very interesting reading and looking . . . although I still don't know about the name.

 

[HollowHill]

I'd like to answer some of the questions that have been posed since I was last here yesterday afternoon. Yes, there will be andirons behind the glass to protect the air wash system. No, you will not be able to see the cat through the front glass (the secondaries should provide a pretty good light show though) and access to it will be through a lift up top lid similar to the Fireview. (One of the prototypes had a glass lid so you could see the cat but ultimately we decided soapstone in the lid was the better choice.) The steel firebox shell does several things. There will be fewer seams, which will make it decidedly less prone to leakage. It's a better (and easier) support material for the upper combustion chamber. It will allow both exterior and interior soapstone pieces to be easily replaced (if need be) without having to take the stove apart, and, it will allow us to readily create a second "econo-version" of the stove, down the road, if we choose to do so.

RS267, thanks for the pics and info. Much appreciated. Agree with the soapstone top decision! If your profile/avatar pic is of the Progress stove fire, it looks like there will be plenty to see through the front. Wow!

 

[Todd]

Thanks for all the great info Ron. Sounds like it's going to be a great stove. This looks to be another radiant stove so I predict the clearances to be about the same as their other stoves but maybe that steel fire box shell will make a difference? I suppose a well designed rear heat shield could also help reduce clearances.

 

[Todd]

Our internal testing was all about minimizing emissions and maximizing output.

I know there is a big difference between EPA and cordwood numbers. What kind of GPH numbers and output numbers did you guys come up with? Are we talking less than 1GPH?

 

[BrowningBAR]

Thanks for all the great info Ron. Sounds like it's going to be a great stove. This looks to be another radiant stove so I predict the clearances to be about the same as their other stoves but maybe that steel fire box shell will make a difference? I suppose a well designed rear heat shield could also help reduce clearances.

I was hoping for something less than 18" with heat shield. Something closer to what Hearthstone offers with the Mansfield, which is 8". I'd rather have the hearth stick out further than the actual stove. Works better for the family room.

 

[Highbeam]

It can't have a flip up lid just like the fireview, this new stove (can't bring myself to call it Progress) will have a changable top flue configuration which like the other WS stoves would make a full flip top impossible.

The new steel firebox will make this new stove "less prone to leakage". This tells me that leakage is currently a problem. I like a tight ship so the steel is fine with me, it's about time we tightened up combustion.

Too bad about not being able to see the cat. It will make it very difficult to know if you have proper cat operation without a thermometer.

Like BB, I am no longer interested in the new stove. This new information paints a picture that is anything but progress. I will keep an open mind though when other folks begin to report actual experiences since there surely must be some redeeming values that make this stove better than it appears now. About the only thing that can turn this ship around will be very long burn times. Max output and lowest emissions..... who cares? If that was all that mattered then we would have englander 30s.

 

[Delta-T]

I "think" I recognized some sarcasm in the post which suggests that the angle iron legs will be replaced when all the castings are received? (gawd, please say yes)

I like the looks of the clamps. Throw in some unground welding splatter and we got a winner.

Jokes aside (or what I attempted to pass off as jokes), its looking good. I am very interested in seeing it when the rocks get glued to it.

Also - could you tell us what the schedule looks like for the 4.0 CUFT version of this hitting the market. :cheese:

I really hope this is not sarcasm...a 4 cuft box would be perfect for burning whole stumps, or junk mail, maybe even a log or 2.

 

[leeave96]

Interesting looking stove/design.

I think the name could be better. Progress Hybrid sounds like a freight train engine or some battery powered car.

Good luck with the stove.

Bill

 

[Jags]

I "think" I recognized some sarcasm in the post which suggests that the angle iron legs will be replaced when all the castings are received? (gawd, please say yes)

I like the looks of the clamps. Throw in some unground welding splatter and we got a winner.

Jokes aside (or what I attempted to pass off as jokes), its looking good. I am very interested in seeing it when the rocks get glued to it.

Also - could you tell us what the schedule looks like for the 4.0 CUFT version of this hitting the market. :cheese:

I really hope this is not sarcasm...a 4 cuft box would be perfect for burning whole stumps, or junk mail, maybe even a log or 2.

Unfortunately - I guess it is. I REALLY, REALLY want a 4.0 cuft stove that isn't ugly as heck (ala Blaze King, King). I guess Woodstock is too chicken to take on the task. Yeah, I said it - CHICKEN.

The new design of the best of both worlds - even with the rube goldberg approach of lots of pieces, would seem to lend itself to a big ol firebox full of fuel that is being slowly and cleanly consumed. I ain't a 2 cuft stove type environment. I wanna load up the pack mule at 7:00 at night with 100 pounds of fuel and then NOT do that again for a long time.

 

[BrowningBAR]

I "think" I recognized some sarcasm in the post which suggests that the angle iron legs will be replaced when all the castings are received? (gawd, please say yes)

I like the looks of the clamps. Throw in some unground welding splatter and we got a winner.

Jokes aside (or what I attempted to pass off as jokes), its looking good. I am very interested in seeing it when the rocks get glued to it.

Also - could you tell us what the schedule looks like for the 4.0 CUFT version of this hitting the market. :cheese:

I really hope this is not sarcasm...a 4 cuft box would be perfect for burning whole stumps, or junk mail, maybe even a log or 2.

Unfortunately - I guess it is. I REALLY, REALLY want a 4.0 cuft stove that isn't ugly as heck (ala Blaze King, King). I guess Woodstock is too chicken to take on the task. Yeah, I said it - CHICKEN.

The new design of the best of both worlds - even with the rube goldberg approach of lots of pieces, would seem to lend itself to a big ol firebox full of fuel that is being slowly and cleanly consumed. I ain't a 2 cuft stove type environment. I wanna load up the pack mule at 7:00 at night with 100 pounds of fuel and then NOT do that again for a long time.

I'll admit, I'm a little aroused by the thought of a 4 cu ft cat stove that doesn't look like a blacked-out washing machine. Remove the side loading option so I can fit it in my walk-in fireplace.

 

[branchburner]

My name suggestion was better.

No doubt. Sorry, but I can't warm up to a stove called Progress Hybrid.

Progress Hybrid is not a name, it's a description. Imagine naming your kid Blue-Eyed Male. I could see Blue-Eyed Kook, maybe (credit to Mad Magazine, and Paul Newman, for that.)

Repent, Woodstock... it's not too late. Palladian and Keystone are NAMES. I have to assume neither the Honda Insight or Toyota Prius were called Progress Hybrid for a reason... and it wasn't concern about trademark.

 

[Todd]

It can't have a flip up lid just like the fireview, this new stove (can't bring myself to call it Progress) will have a changable top flue configuration which like the other WS stoves would make a full flip top impossible.

The new steel firebox will make this new stove "less prone to leakage". This tells me that leakage is currently a problem. I like a tight ship so the steel is fine with me, it's about time we tightened up combustion.

Too bad about not being able to see the cat. It will make it very difficult to know if you have proper cat operation without a thermometer.

Like BB, I am no longer interested in the new stove. This new information paints a picture that is anything but progress. I will keep an open mind though when other folks begin to report actual experiences since there surely must be some redeeming values that make this stove better than it appears now. About the only thing that can turn this ship around will be very long burn times. Max output and lowest emissions..... who cares? If that was all that mattered then we would have englander 30s.

With that kind of attitude you might as well just give up and get you one of those ugly black steel boxes. ;-) If you look at the Woodstock blog you can see where the lid will be on top and where the top exhaust is, looks like plenty of room to get at the guts. Max output and lowest emissions equals higher efficiency in my book.

 

[Todd]

I "think" I recognized some sarcasm in the post which suggests that the angle iron legs will be replaced when all the castings are received? (gawd, please say yes)

I like the looks of the clamps. Throw in some unground welding splatter and we got a winner.

Jokes aside (or what I attempted to pass off as jokes), its looking good. I am very interested in seeing it when the rocks get glued to it.

Also - could you tell us what the schedule looks like for the 4.0 CUFT version of this hitting the market. :cheese:

I really hope this is not sarcasm...a 4 cuft box would be perfect for burning whole stumps, or junk mail, maybe even a log or 2.

Unfortunately - I guess it is. I REALLY, REALLY want a 4.0 cuft stove that isn't ugly as heck (ala Blaze King, King). I guess Woodstock is too chicken to take on the task. Yeah, I said it - CHICKEN.

The new design of the best of both worlds - even with the rube goldberg approach of lots of pieces, would seem to lend itself to a big ol firebox full of fuel that is being slowly and cleanly consumed. I ain't a 2 cuft stove type environment. I wanna load up the pack mule at 7:00 at night with 100 pounds of fuel and then NOT do that again for a long time.

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

 

[Jags]

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

Higher efficiency is always a good thing, but a 2 cuft stove, even at 100% efficiency will not have the potential BTU that I am looking for. I want a 40,000 btu output for 12 hrs.

 

[Todd]

My name suggestion was better.

No doubt. Sorry, but I can't warm up to a stove called Progress Hybrid.

Progress Hybrid is not a name, it's a description. Imagine naming your kid Blue-Eyed Male. I could see Blue-Eyed Kook, maybe (credit to Mad Magazine, and Paul Newman, for that.)

Repent, Woodstock... it's not too late. Palladian and Keystone are NAMES. I have to assume neither the Honda Insight or Toyota Prius were called Progress Hybrid for a reason... and it wasn't concern about trademark.

I agree, the name is lame. Woodstock Progress Hybrid just doesn't roll off the tongue like it should. Name it after your President, "Morrissey" or something local.

 

[Todd]

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

Higher efficiency is always a good thing, but a 2 cuft stove, even at 100% efficiency will not have the potential BTU that I am looking for. I want a 40,000 btu output for 12 hrs.

I thought this stove was closer to 3 cu ft and if it's over 90% efficient it should heat like a 75% efficient 4 cu ft Equinox? If you need something larger maybe it's time for a wood furnace/boiler or buy two stoves?

 

[Jags]

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

Higher efficiency is always a good thing, but a 2 cuft stove, even at 100% efficiency will not have the potential BTU that I am looking for. I want a 40,000 btu output for 12 hrs.

I thought this stove was closer to 3 cu ft and if it's over 90% efficient it should heat like a 75% efficient 4 cu ft Equinox? If you need something larger maybe it's time for a wood furnace/boiler or buy two stoves?

To be honest Todd, I don't know the specs. Just looking at the firebox, it didn't look like my 3.0 Isle Royal. My point being, if they have the tech to make a super clean burn appliance, its time to apply it to 4.0 cuft for fuel capacity. Why is 3.0 or 3.5 or whatever the ceiling for a wood stove where I need to go to an outside appliance???

 

[DanCorcoran]

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

Higher efficiency is always a good thing, but a 2 cuft stove, even at 100% efficiency will not have the potential BTU that I am looking for. I want a 40,000 btu output for 12 hrs.

I thought this stove was closer to 3 cu ft and if it's over 90% efficient it should heat like a 75% efficient 4 cu ft Equinox? If you need something larger maybe it's time for a wood furnace/boiler or buy two stoves?

To be honest Todd, I don't know the specs. Just looking at the firebox, it didn't look like my 3.0 Isle Royal. My point being, if they have the tech to make a super clean burn appliance, its time to apply it to 4.0 cuft for fuel capacity. Why is 3.0 or 3.5 or whatever the ceiling for a wood stove where I need to go to an outside appliance???

I'm not in the stove business, but my first guess would be that perhaps the market for a 4.0 isn't large enough to justify the development and tooling cost.

 

[Jags]

I'm not in the stove business, but my first guess would be that perhaps the market for a 4.0 isn't large enough to justify the development and tooling cost.

Equinox, Blaze King - king, just to name a couple. Heck, the NC30 is 3.5. Its not much of a stretch from that point (and they are getting dirt common)

 

[BrowningBAR]

Maybe this stove will act more like a 4cu ft stove because it will be more efficient? I bet it will kick the Equinox's butt! :coolgrin:

Higher efficiency is always a good thing, but a 2 cuft stove, even at 100% efficiency will not have the potential BTU that I am looking for. I want a 40,000 btu output for 12 hrs.

I thought this stove was closer to 3 cu ft and if it's over 90% efficient it should heat like a 75% efficient 4 cu ft Equinox? If you need something larger maybe it's time for a wood furnace/boiler or buy two stoves?

To be honest Todd, I don't know the specs. Just looking at the firebox, it didn't look like my 3.0 Isle Royal. My point being, if they have the tech to make a super clean burn appliance, its time to apply it to 4.0 cuft for fuel capacity. Why is 3.0 or 3.5 or whatever the ceiling for a wood stove where I need to go to an outside appliance???

I'm not in the stove business, but my first guess would be that perhaps the market for a 4.0 isn't large enough to justify the development and tooling cost.

I'd buy two if it were purdy.

 

[raybonz]

I don't like the name Progress Hybrid as it sounds like some technical automobile or similar.. I suggested Twin Peaks which gives tribute to the mountains of NH and secretly mentions the dual technology in the stove.. To me that is a better name but I may be a bit biased

Ray

 

[branchburner]

I don't like the name Progress Hybrid as it sounds like some technical automobile or similar.

It sounds like it should be the trademark name for the burn technology rather than for the actual stove. Kind of like the VC Defiant's "Everburn" or the Harman Oakwood's "Firedome." Even in that context, it sounds kind of lame compared to those.

 

[raybonz]

I don't like the name Progress Hybrid as it sounds like some technical automobile or similar.

It sounds like it should be the trademark name for the burn technology rather than for the actual stove. Kind of like the VC Defiant's "Everburn" or the Harman Oakwood's "Firedome." Even in that context, it sounds kind of lame compared to those.

+1

Ray