Yet another Liner decision thread

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I've been searching and soaking up lots of great info on this site. I ended up going w/ an Englander NC13 for my first stove. Cheap, fits in my fireplace, and lots of positive feedback on it. I'm hoping to get a few years out of this then upgrade to one of the big boys.

In any event I'm onto the liner now. Based on my research I determined that investing here is money well spent. Insulation is good to go no matter what liner I choose. I'm leaning towards the pre-insulated liners and I've got what I see are 3 or 4 options. Not sure what the rules are for posting stores links so heres the shopping carts.

Kit 1 - $515
316Ti inner liner, Aluminum Outer Liner. 1/2" insulation. EZ connect system so no appliance connector needed
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Kit 2 - $725
316Ti inner and outer. 1" insulation. Extra charge for each component
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Option 3 - ??
Pre-Insulated Rigid Pipe with a 5' Flex section to connect to stove. Member HogWildz did this and this is my favorite option. I cannot find any pre-insulated rigid pipe though.

Option 4 - ??
I read a lot of posts about a heath.com member (theheatelement, Rainey, ebay store theheatelement) that people were very pleased with his service and prices. He appears to have vanished though.


Looking forward to feedback from this great community!

[edit] 314 to 316
 
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Is that really 314 or is it 316? i have never heard of 314. Otherwise any of those options are good. The dura liner flex sections are not preinsulated and will need to be wrapped but otherwise seems like a good system.
 
Its either 304 or 316 as far as I ever saw.
Ti is for burning coal I believe, and may be overkill.
304 is plenty for woodburning.
I used DuraLIner rigid double wall insulated with 5' of flex through the smoke shelf to the insert.

Looks like Walmart is direct shipping Duraliner products now, at a pretty good price.
I got mine from ventingpipe.com in 2006.
The rigid will cost more, but in my book, it is worth every cent.
I didn't wrap the flex section, I do suggest a block off plate always.

http://www.walmart.com/search/searc...raLiner&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=0

http://www.ventingpipe.com/chimney-liners-all-fuels/c14302?f3309=duravent&f3364=rigid liner&f3371=double wall&f3370=6

There are other places that sell it also.
 
Wal mart really? lol yeah 316 ti or l is for wood gas oil or coal 304 is really only for wood simpson seems to think 304 is all fuel but no one else does. But for wood 304 is just fine
 
bholler said:
Wal mart really? lol yeah 316 ti or l is for wood gas oil or coal 304 is really only for wood simpson seems to think 304 is all fuel but no one else does. But for wood 304 is just fine
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Yeap, was surprised myself, check out the pricing.... pretty good.
Looks like they are just reselling direct from factory or elect distributors, and direct shipping.
 
Sorry, typoed 316 as 314.

Thanks for the info. Just opened up my fireplace and checked it out. Super clean, good size at 6.5"x10.5" ID terra cotta. I was able to cut and hammer open enough space for the install. I'm ready to go. I have 16' from stove top to chimney top. Should I go with 12' rigid insulated and 4' flex uninsulated or run the rigid to 15' and tie in the additional foot w/ flex?

This is a great price! thanks hogz! If I go with this bad boy: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dura-Vent...elining-Double-Wall-Round-Rigid-Pipe/33162508

What else will I need?
 

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6.5" is going to be a bottleneck for round insulated pipe. You may need to go with rigid oval, then transition to round after getting past the damper.
 
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6.5" is going to be a bottleneck for round insulated pipe. You may need to go with rigid oval, then transition to round after getting past the damper.
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I think you are right. the 6" pipe's OD is 6 5/8" :(

Looks like there's a ton of options for converting between round and oval. Is there a preferred choice?

I'm thinking about the following (starting at the stove)

Stove conector
Transition from Stove to Rigid Pipe
Main Pipe
Chimney Cap
Thanks in advance. So many options!!
 
Good old HogWildz has more answers for me (from: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...tile-for-simpson-duraliner.43221/#post-564757)
I traced the clay tile on the underside of the plate, bent the sides down 90 degrees so they wrap down on all 4 sides, siliconed the top of the flue tile, and set the plate down on. Clean the bottom of the plate real good, make sure ya get the oils off. Use rubbing alcohol or even brake cleaner spray. Something that does not leave a residue. That plate does not support all the weight. The stove supports a good bit of it, but the weight that is on the plate will hold it down and help seal it to the silicone on the top of the tile. You do not have to cut the tile down, nor drill through it and chance cracking/breaking it fastening with screws.
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So cap termination will be via the duravent oval cap. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dura-Vent-4688-O-13-x-20-Base-Plate-Extend-A-Cap-Kit/33225460

Still unclear on how I'm going to connect to stove and transition from round stove to oval rigid liner...
 
Talked to a Rep at woodstovepro.com. Very helpful. Apparently the DuraVent Stove/Appliance connectors get screwed into the top of the stove, rather than inserted into the stove outlet and clamped on. I'm a bit disappointed it's not as clean of an install. I do not want to mix systems around though so I am going to go forward with the following

30 degree round outlet - http://www.woodstovepro.com/store/M...nnector-round-round-4681-6DLR-CNR-p15351.html
Round to Oval adapter - http://www.woodstovepro.com/store/M...l-Flex-Pipe-14-4614-RO-6DLR-14ROF-p15370.html

woodstovepro is also going to price match walmart's prices!! I feel much better buying from a reputable local business who specializes in stoves.

I'll post the results to the thread where I'm logging my progress @ https://www.hearth.com/talk/posts/1764926/
 
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