Like my 2 Englanders but...

[DexterDay]

Thanks, I couldn't tell from the manual. He wants to see one first. He's gotta do that touchy feely thing. I think once he does, The AM/FM deal will reel him in. Well go looking to find onenow that I know its a tube type.

He did like the looks of the 25 IP, But I don't like the box heat exchanger. Another bud has one and we had to do some modding to help scavenge heat out of it.

If I had it to do again. The EP would be at the top of the Englander list. Just because of the heat exchange system.

But I am still looking at the .-.. or .-..

 

[slvrblkk]

Thanks, I couldn't tell from the manual. He wants to see one first. He's gotta do that touchy feely thing. I think once he does, The AM/FM deal will reel him in. Well go looking to find onenow that I know its a tube type.

He did like the looks of the 25 IP, But I don't like the box heat exchanger. Another bud has one and we had to do some modding to help scavenge heat out of it.

As I said in an earlier post, my old pdvc, while short on looks, was a great little heater with the "box" exchanger...which was actually overkill at times! But to each their own. Really, the only two things I didn't like about it was there wasn't a removable ash pan and the two auger design which is why I wound up getting my 25........

 

[alltherage]

so...are my temps low?

 

[imacman]

so...are my temps low?

Bottom line here is....do the stoves heat your rooms the way you think they should? The 10-cpm in the basement w/ bare concrete floors will have a hard time.....floor and no ceiling insulation will soak-up/leak heat.

Have you gone out & bought a few bags of better quality pellets to try....every stove is different, but I see a big improvement in my 10-cpm when I burn the better pellets I have (Greene Team, Stove Chow, Sommersets, Barefoot, Lignetics Green label).

When I burn the CleanFire's (AKA NEWP & Green Supreme), the temp drops significantly.

 

[alltherage]

i've always burned low end pellets...i know i should try premiums, just always end up going cheap. what kind of temps are you getting out of your cpm with barefoots for example? i can get those at the local shop.

 

[alltherage]

we got the one in the basement a bit premature as we knew it wouldn't be utilized full capacity until it got finished off.
but, we buillt a nice 16' bar down there and have a nice tv with couches etc and have parties everyonce in a while, and it got frustrating with no heat source...so we put the cart before the horse and got the stove

 

[imacman]

Not burning Barefoots right now (saving them for the real cold weather). Burning Greene Team, but don't have a thermometer to measure. Just know that I can't stand right in front of it for more than a minute on 2-3.

Get 3-4 bags of Barefoots, clean the stove, and burn them. You won't know for sure until you try something else.

And buying cheap pellets doesn't pay in the end....you end up burning on higher heat settings and use more pellets. I've NEVER had my 10-cpm on 9-9. Highest ever was 6-8 last winter on a night with temps in the low single digits.

 

[mithesaint]

Not burning Barefoots right now (saving them for the real cold weather). Burning Greene Team, but don't have a thermometer to measure. Just know that I can't stand right in front of it for more than a minute on 2-3.

Get 3-4 bags of Barefoots, clean the stove, and burn them. You won't know for sure until you try something else.

And buying cheap pellets doesn't pay in the end....you end up burning on higher heat settings and use more pellets. I've NEVER had my 10-cpm on 9-9. Highest ever was 6-8 last winter on a night with temps in the low single digits.

Never? Really? Tell me more about your house. I'm heating a 2400 sq ft house decently insulated but poorly sealed house, and have to crank it up to 9-9 when it gets cold AND windy. One or the other is fine, just not both at the same time.

I bought the stove used, and have wondered from time to time if I'm getting the right heat out of it. I've replaced all gaskets and cleaned everything clean-able, and am not having any issues, but always wondered if it should be hotter...

 

[jtakeman]

Well, Don't laugh ya all! A bud bought the 25 IP and felt the same. Not enough heat out the convection as to what the old stove he had. He also felt he was burning a bit more pellets ta boot. We fiddled with the settings and yadda yadda yadda. Seemed we were getting nowhere, Not getting good convection and passed too much out the vent no matter what. Only way to get the temp up was to do the no-no of running the fan below the heat level setting.

So, I took the lid off and the front grill out. Measured the top of the box and did some figuring. Wound up getting some tee channel extruded aluminum from a local place. Cut them to length and laid them on top of the box to help pull some heat(wick-heat sink-what every). No fasterns were used as I didn't want to risk a leak! With everything the same we pulled an extra 25ºF out of the convection air. I only could get 1x1-1/2, might a squeezed a bit more with a large profile?



I don't like a box heat exchanger, I want the most area I can possibly get to extract the most possible. To me the stoves with the box like the cab series and these. Are not going to be as efficient as the tube or accordion type heat exchangers. IMHO the more area offered to convect heat has to improve the overall efficiency.

Carry on!

 

[imacman]

Never? Really? Tell me more about your house. I'm heating a 2400 sq ft house decently insulated but poorly sealed house, and have to crank it up to 9-9 when it gets cold AND windy.......

I have a 2700 sq. ft log home, so the insulation factor isn't great to begin with. The room the stove is in is a great room with 16' peaked ceiling....LR, DR, and K all connected and open. Not too difficult for me to keep those areas at 69-70 degrees.
I COULD also heat the upstairs 2 bedrooms if I wanted to, as the doors for those are off an open balcony, but they don't get used too much anymore.

The pic I attached was taken years ago before the pellet stove was swapped in for the wood stove in the pic, but you get the idea. The kitchen is just to the left of the dining area table.

 

[chrisasst]

so...are my temps low?

Well, let me tell you, I am in the same boat, thinking that the PDVC is not heating enough. I run 9/9, 3-5-1 and I get about 220 out of my stove also buring barefoots.
Do you know what your mode is? a, b ,c or d?
I have to reset to mode c because the heat coming on d was a joke.
Luckily I have a EF2 that helps heat my house. I have to have both stoves running pretty much all the time when temp is 35 or below.

 

[alltherage]

i really tinkered with my pdvc to use few pellets at night because i was only burning at 1-1 or 2-2. I had the bottom 3 buttons at 1-3-1 or 1-2-1 etc. I recently went back to factory setttings of 6-4-1 and i'm relatively pleased with the heat i guess. The 10-cpm is what is concerning to me most.

 

[alltherage]

i'm in D mode by the way

 

[tjnamtiw]

If they're running the room blowers at a lower speed, the air coming out would be pretty hot. On the other hand, if you are running your blower at a high speed, the air coming out would be relatively cooler.

The main thing is - does it heat your house?

Heatseeker is right on the money. All pellets are around 8000 btu's per pound. It depends on how many lbs you're dumping in the burnpot, the speed of the air across the heat exchanger, how clean your heat exchanger tubes are, how well you are burning them (air flow thru burnpot). All the stoves appear to be about the same efficiency so it is very subjective to judge a stove's performance by what you feel coming out of the air passages. How high is the flame? How active is the flame? What color is the flame? How fast is the air blowing? Notice that some of the air ducts blow a lot faster than others. The slow ones (usually on the sides) blow slower and will feel hotter.

 

[slvrblkk]

i really tinkered with my pdvc to use few pellets at night because i was only burning at 1-1 or 2-2. I had the bottom 3 buttons at 1-3-1 or 1-2-1 etc. I recently went back to factory setttings of 6-4-1 and i'm relatively pleased with the heat i guess. The 10-cpm is what is concerning to me most.

Have you tried running your CPM at 4-4-1 or 4-5-1...etc just to see if there is a change? Get more pellets in the pot and see what happens.......

 

[jdempsey]

Well, Don't laugh ya all! A bud bought the 25 IP and felt the same. Not enough heat out the convection as to what the old stove he had. He also felt he was burning a bit more pellets ta boot. We fiddled with the settings and yadda yadda yadda. Seemed we were getting nowhere, Not getting good convection and passed too much out the vent no matter what. Only way to get the temp up was to do the no-no of running the fan below the heat level setting.

So, I took the lid off and the front grill out. Measured the top of the box and did some figuring. Wound up getting some tee channel extruded aluminum from a local place. Cut them to length and laid them on top of the box to help pull some heat(wick-heat sink-what every). No fasterns were used as I didn't want to risk a leak! With everything the same we pulled an extra 25ºF out of the convection air. I only could get 1x1-1/2, might a squeezed a bit more with a large profile?

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I don't like a box heat exchanger, I want the most area I can possib
ly get to extract the most possible. To me the stoves with the box like the cab series and these. Are not going to be as efficient as the tube or accordion type heat exchangers. IMHO the more area offered to convect heat has to improve the overall efficiency.

Carry on!

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Wondering if the 10-cpm heat exchanger can be modded in a similar way.

I have notice the same thing. This stove does not seem to put out the same heat as other models in the same class.

 

[jtakeman]

Wondering if the 10-cpm heat exchanger can be modded in a similar way.

I have notice the same thing. This stove does not seem to put out the same heat as other models in the same class.

If the top comes off and you can lay some strips accros the top of the heat exchanger? Sure it might be worth a try. Only draw back is it does take a good while of running for these to start working, But you should gain a slight amount.

I don't think he spent $20 bucks for the material and about an hours time(remove the lid/grille cut lengths and reinstall the lid/grille). Might take longer if you only have a hack saw(I have a band saw).

 

[DexterDay]

Wondering if the 10-cpm heat exchanger can be modded in a similar way.

I have notice the same thing. This stove does not seem to put out the same heat as other models in the same class.

Yeah. The top of the CPM comes right off. 4 bolts and its topless

It couldn't hurt to try. It could definitely use some help

It will burn anything and do it with ease. But heat extraction is its weak point. Its a small steel box (firebox) surrounded by a larger steel box (shell of stove) and air blows up the back and over the top. The sides could have been.utilized in my opinion, but they are not

Aluminum would be my choice of material. But steel will work. Anything to increase surface area to pull heat from that "box".

 

[imacman]

Yeah. The top of the CPM comes right off. 4 bolts and its topless......

That doesn't lead you to the heat exchanger "box" AFAIR....just allows to clean under the vent holes.

 

[DexterDay]

That doesn't lead you to the heat exchanger "box" AFAIR....just allows to clean under the vent holes.

Tu chet.... Your right. I spoke to soon.

Not gonna work Oh well.

 

[Harvey Schneider]

All the stoves appear to be about the same efficiency

I have been wondering about that. Is there a published comparison available somewhere? I don't think I have ever seen efficiency numbers for any of the Englanders.

 

[alltherage]

going to get a ton of somersets after work and try those for comparison

 

[Seasoned Oak]

I have a Harman and I'd have to see that.

Probably not from a pellet stove but my harman 300-TL put,s out so much heat on the lowest setting i heat 3000 SF to the high 70,s on a 35 Deg day. It does get a lot hotter than either of my englander stoves. Also my country hearth will go to 800 deg stovetop ,in never seen those kind of temps with either of my englanders.

 

[jtakeman]

I have been wondering about that. Is there a published comparison available somewhere? I don't think I have ever seen efficiency numbers for any of the Englanders.

EPA did have a list with some pellet eaters. I think its posted here somewhere. I'll do some diggin.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Here ya go up to date even https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...nIDYDg&usg=AFQjCNFy-KR5-TeOYEgvyShIag05C8aFBw