Englands 25PDVC Bottom 3 buttons

[Camofrog]

Thank you again--will do!

 

[Pete Zahria]

Hi,
Brand new to pellet burning. This forum is awesome..
Have used wood, still use coal,
got the 55-SHP10 for my shop, from Lowes.
The stove has a DOM of 11/2013.

My question concerns the fine tuning adjustments.
I have read here that some models the fine tuning only affects settings 1 and 2.
On others, 1 to 9.
Question 1) is it 1-2, or 1-9?

Question 2) If 1-9, does that mean that the full potential can only be met by resetting
the first lower button to 6?

I believe the newer models the factory settings are 6-4-1.
Question 3) is this the correct factory setting?

Because it is in a garage, I often only want to just keep the chill out.
I currently am running 3-1-1, and it seems to be working fine.
Less soot on glass, and no clinkers like when it was on 3-4-1.
Does anyone see any problem with my setting?

Thanks for any help, I appreciate it!... Dan

 

[monamlm]

Hi,
Brand new to pellet burning. This forum is awesome..
Have used wood, still use coal,
got the 55-SHP10 for my shop, from Lowes.
The stove has a DOM of 11/2013.

My question concerns the fine tuning adjustments.
I have read here that some models the fine tuning only affects settings 1 and 2.
On others, 1 to 9.
Question 1) is it 1-2, or 1-9?

Question 2) If 1-9, does that mean that the full potential can only be met by resetting
the first lower button to 6?

I believe the newer models the factory settings are 6-4-1.
Question 3) is this the correct factory setting?

Because it is in a garage, I often only want to just keep the chill out.
I currently am running 3-1-1, and it seems to be working fine.
Less soot on glass, and no clinkers like when it was on 3-4-1.
Does anyone see any problem with my setting?

Thanks for any help, I appreciate it!... Dan

Thank you for this post. I think I learned more from this post than any other. I too am so confused with my England Pellet stove Model 25-PDVC. I purchased when my 18 year old Whitfield Quest needed it's 1rst repair. I contacted Englands Stove Works & they said my setting was 4-5-1. My stove is very noisy, was burning so many pellets per day & never could see thru the glass. One month of use & it stopped working due to carbon build up around auger which ended up being a blessing as I had to empty hopper only to find there was a plate that could be moved to limit the pellet feed! Nothing about this plate in the instruction booklet That made a big difference in amount of pellets I was burning thru per day but still felt I was feeding too many pellets per day, burn pot always full of & constant cleaning. Changing the low fuel feed to 3 made a difference. Now I am trying to find a good setting for the low burn air. The stove produces heat but what a frustrating time trying to figure out the pellet feed, having it burn clean & I don't think there's any help how noisy this stove is. I know I went off topic about control numbers but if I can get any feedback I would appreciate. Today I am trying 3-4-1. So far I'm not going thru so many bags of pellets, hoping to see a cleaner burn & not constantly cleaning burn pot. Thanks!

 

[Harvey Schneider]

Thank you for this post. I think I learned more from this post than any other. I too am so confused with my England Pellet stove Model 25-PDVC. I purchased when my 18 year old Whitfield Quest needed it's 1rst repair. I contacted Englands Stove Works & they said my setting was 4-5-1. My stove is very noisy, was burning so many pellets per day & never could see thru the glass. One month of use & it stopped working due to carbon build up around auger which ended up being a blessing as I had to empty hopper only to find there was a plate that could be moved to limit the pellet feed! Nothing about this plate in the instruction booklet That made a big difference in amount of pellets I was burning thru per day but still felt I was feeding too many pellets per day, burn pot always full of & constant cleaning. Changing the low fuel feed to 3 made a difference. Now I am trying to find a good setting for the low burn air. The stove produces heat but what a frustrating time trying to figure out the pellet feed, having it burn clean & I don't think there's any help how noisy this stove is. I know I went off topic about control numbers but if I can get any feedback I would appreciate. Today I am trying 3-4-1. So far I'm not going thru so many bags of pellets, hoping to see a cleaner burn & not constantly cleaning burn pot. Thanks!

The numbers are not magic. Well the last one is but let's put that aside for a moment.
The first button is low feed rate. That establishes how much fuel you want to convert to heat. Lower numbers mean less heat produced.
The second button is low burn air. If there isn't enough air, the fire will be burning too rich and a rich burn produces soot and creosote. Too much air will make the supplied fuel burn faster and there is a risk of burning out the supply because it is being consumed faster than it is being delivered by the augers. Too much air also blows more heat out the vent and therefore wasting fuel.
Every installation is different. This is because of differences in venting, air supply, barometric pressure (due to elevation), line Voltage, and variations in the stoves themselves. These buttons give you the ability to fine tune the low burn rate and the low burn fuel to air ratio. It takes a little experimentation and some patience to get it tuned, and I find that as the season progresses I do have to make minor adjustments in order to keep the stove running clean.
It is unfortunate that ESW did not do a good job of documenting these buttons and their function. I also wish they had documented the choke plate in the hopper.

 

[monamlm]

The numbers are not magic. Well the last one is but let's put that aside for a moment.
The first button is low feed rate. That establishes how much fuel you want to convert to heat. Lower numbers mean less heat produced.
The second button is low burn air. If there isn't enough air, the fire will be burning too rich and a rich burn produces soot and creosote. Too much air will make the supplied fuel burn faster and there is a risk of burning out the supply because it is being consumed faster than it is being delivered by the augers. Too much air also blows more heat out the vent and therefore wasting fuel.
Every installation is different. This is because of differences in venting, air supply, barometric pressure (due to elevation), line Voltage, and variations in the stoves themselves. These buttons give you the ability to fine tune the low burn rate and the low burn fuel to air ration. It takes a little experimentation and some patience to get it tuned, and I find that as the season progresses I do have to make minor adjustments in order to keep the stove running clean.
It is unfortunate that ESW did not do a good job of documenting these buttons and their function. I also wish they had documented the choke plate in the hopper.

Thank you! I think I'm finally getting the information that I can understand. I so appreciate your reply! Mona

 

[pelletizer]

(Default 6-4-1)
Found over the years to tweak per type of pellet burning.
You can get a real long and clean burn time by using quality hot clean burning pellets and tweak down to like 5-4-1 or even 4-4-1

 

[Dhosh]

sorry to re-hash an old post. I am just looking to correct some of my gleaned knowledge here .....

My 25-PDVP is a '96. MIke at ESW said the default for this stove/year combinatin would be 641 of the 3 bottom buttons.
I thought I read once that these buttons only effected startup, and after that, only the heat range and blower speed are used. I gleaned from that, the 3 lower settings are effectively ignored/not referenced after startup. I believe I read/heard/or remembered this incorrectly.

So ... these buttons can (and likely should be, if necessary) be adjusted on-the fly, and may often be necessary when switching pellet brands?

I was getting some decent burns with 6-4-1 and only adjusting the feed rate, and leaving the blower air up to 9. I tried 3 bags of 'something' brand from Lowes, and they burned entirely different. I guess i am wondering .. maybe this 'different' might actually be better. Leaving at 6-4-1 ( like I had for the last 10 bags of Kirtlands) results in the burn pot filling up with only partially spent pellets. The hole pot of pellets of glowing, and not turning to light ash, as they did with the Kirtlands. I might expect the burn rate is set to high for the air, and I should adjust the Low Fuel Feed down, and /or the Low Burn Air up, and adjust till I get a similar burn t the Kirtlands?

So, if the left 2 buttons are labeled 'Low' .... when are they used .. and/or at what settings? If the heat range is set to, say, below 5? And then what? Is the feed-to-air ration maintained as the heat range is scaled up?

 

[Mama2626]

I have a 25 PDVC 2005 control setting what should they be set at. My stove is pumping heat out on 1. I have them at 641

 

[Harvey Schneider]

I have a 25 PDVC 2005 control setting what should they be set at. My stove is pumping heat out on 1. I have them at 641

641 sounds right. If the stove is pumping out too much heat at a burn setting of 1, chances are that it is in the wrong mode. It should be in mode D. There are threads here that discuss how to change and verify the operating mode.
The proceedure for changing modes:

~Turn off stove, allow to cool
~Unplug it for a few
~Plug back in
~Immediately press and hold the up and down arrows for the blower, then release.
~use the up and down arrows to select the mode.

Many suggest repeating the proceedure to verify that it was effective.

 

[jss227]

I have my 25 PDVC set at 1-4-1. My house is super insulated on that side so that even with those settings I never have to run the stove above 5-9, even at -17. Right now it's purring along at 3-9 and 75*.

 

[kevie]

Please let me know what my settings should be for the three lower buttons. I have a 25-pdvc mfg 09/01

 

[h2ochild]

Hi,
Brand new to pellet burning. This forum is awesome..
Have used wood, still use coal,
got the 55-SHP10 for my shop, from Lowes.
The stove has a DOM of 11/2013.

My question concerns the fine tuning adjustments.
I have read here that some models the fine tuning only affects settings 1 and 2.
On others, 1 to 9.
Question 1) is it 1-2, or 1-9?
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/25-ep-and-its-magic-numbers.136210/#post-1828344 see post 5
Per M Holton ESW : lower settings on any of the single auger stoves affects all the way up through the heat ranges, on the dual auger stoves it affects 1 and 2

 

[Sampsonvr6]

Hello !
This is my first time on this website the info is great.! I was wondering if you knew the factory settings on my 2013 25-pdvc would be I know they can vary from year to year...thanks in advance !

 

[Beaudeen]

Hello !
This is my first time on this website the info is great.! I was wondering if you knew the factory settings on my 2013 25-pdvc would be I know they can vary from year to year...thanks in advance !

Pretty sure the 2011 and 2013 are the same settings from what I read...here is what ya need to read...

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/englander-25-pvdc-tuning.121069/page-2#post-1840776

 

[Joesam]

ok pete , here is the scoop:

"low fuel feed" controls the cycle "on" time of the top auger when the unit is set on its lowest heat ranges "1 and 2" does not affect the unit when the unit is set higher than that. the higher the number the longer the on cycle (the more fuel it feeds)

"low burn air" controls the amount of combustion air pulled through the fire on (you guessed it ) heat ranges "1 and 2" higher the number the more air

"air on temp" this setting does affect the unit in all heat ranges, it determines all of the temperature related functions of the unit (ie. when to turn on the room fan, when to recognise "proof of fire" when to allow the unit to turn off as it cools down during shutdown or out of fuel) this setting should always be left on "1"

note to readers: IMPORTANT not every model or every year of build will use the same settings, i know (off the top of my head) what the settings should be for any unit we have ever produced using that control board , so dont set your unit like your buddies is unless the dates and model numbers match! ASK ME otherwise. if the settings on the unit are off in the wrong way they can seriously mess with burn times as well as how clean it burns

I seem to be having a similar issue with getting an e3 error code when turning the stove to 6 for the offer and 8 for the blower. Desperately need help 20 to 30 below zero this weekend. Hoping you can provide a little info on the air temp on setting I may have accidentally pushed that in the past when trying to turn off the stove

 

[Chrisnow86]

I seem to be having a similar issue with getting an e3 error code when turning the stove to 6 for the offer and 8 for the blower. Desperately need help 20 to 30 below zero this weekend. Hoping you can provide a little info on the air temp on setting I may have accidentally pushed that in the past when trying to turn off the stove

Have you tried cleaning you convection blower? And combustion blower?

 

[stoveguy2esw]

I seem to be having a similar issue with getting an e3 error code when turning the stove to 6 for the offer and 8 for the blower. Desperately need help 20 to 30 below zero this weekend. Hoping you can provide a little info on the air temp on setting I may have accidentally pushed that in the past when trying to turn off the stove

if you are running above heat range 2 the buttons do not affect the stove, the post right under yours is probably the best place to start, check that room fan, they tend to get loaded up with dust bunnies over time. this reduces the amount of heat scrubbed from the stove leading to overtemp codes

 

[chrisasst]

if you are running above heat range 2 the buttons do not affect the stove, the post right under yours is probably the best place to start, check that room fan, they tend to get loaded up with dust bunnies over time. this reduces the amount of heat scrubbed from the stove leading to overtemp codes

you said a few years ago the on the model 2004 and above the bottom three work on any heat setting.. so which is it?

 

[Cedarjunki]

I seem to be having a similar issue with getting an e3 error code when turning the stove to 6 for the offer and 8 for the blower. Desperately need help 20 to 30 below zero this weekend. Hoping you can provide a little info on the air temp on setting I may have accidentally pushed that in the past when trying to turn off the stove

Air on temp should be 1.

 

[Cedarjunki]

you said a few years ago the on the model 2004 and above the bottom three work on any heat setting.. so which is it?

May have been referring to single auger stoves?

 

[stoveguy2esw]

you said a few years ago the on the model 2004 and above the bottom three work on any heat setting.. so which is it?

the 2 auger stoves are only affected on 1 and 2 HR, the single auger top feed stoves the trim affects all the way up

 

[Ez money]

ok pete , here is the scoop:

"low fuel feed" controls the cycle "on" time of the top auger when the unit is set on its lowest heat ranges "1 and 2" does not affect the unit when the unit is set higher than that. the higher the number the longer the on cycle (the more fuel it feeds)

"low burn air" controls the amount of combustion air pulled through the fire on (you guessed it ) heat ranges "1 and 2" higher the number the more air

"air on temp" this setting does affect the unit in all heat ranges, it determines all of the temperature related functions of the unit (ie. when to turn on the room fan, when to recognise "proof of fire" when to allow the unit to turn off as it cools down during shutdown or out of fuel) this setting should always be left on "1"

note to readers: IMPORTANT not every model or every year of build will use the same settings, i know (off the top of my head) what the settings should be for any unit we have ever produced using that control board , so dont set your unit like your buddies is unless the dates and model numbers match! ASK ME otherwise. if the settings on the unit are off in the wrong way they can seriously mess with burn times as well as how clean it burns

I got a 25 pdv what's my settings and date is a 07-01

 

[stoveguy2esw]

I got a 25 pdv what's my settings and date is a 07-01

that model would be defaulted at LFF 4 LBA 1 and AOT 1

 

[Briandesjardins86]

ok pete , here is the scoop:

"low fuel feed" controls the cycle "on" time of the top auger when the unit is set on its lowest heat ranges "1 and 2" does not affect the unit when the unit is set higher than that. the higher the number the longer the on cycle (the more fuel it feeds)

"low burn air" controls the amount of combustion air pulled through the fire on (you guessed it ) heat ranges "1 and 2" higher the number the more air

"air on temp" this setting does affect the unit in all heat ranges, it determines all of the temperature related functions of the unit (ie. when to turn on the room fan, when to recognise "proof of fire" when to allow the unit to turn off as it cools down during shutdown or out of fuel) this setting should always be left on "1"

note to readers: IMPORTANT not every model or every year of build will use the same settings, i know (off the top of my head) what the settings should be for any unit we have ever produced using that control board , so dont set your unit like your buddies is unless the dates and model numbers match! ASK ME otherwise. if the settings on the unit are off in the wrong way they can seriously mess with burn times as well as how clean it burns

hey there i have englander 25 pdv. 8-1-08 is manf. date. what should the stock 3csettibgs be? i believe my problem with pellet pile up is this.

 

[Briandesjardins86]

hey there i have englander 25 pdv. 8-1-08 is manf. date. what should the stock 3csettibgs be? i believe my problem with pellet pile up is this.

sorry for spelling my phone is broken haha