Yes but if they had been paying less in taxes their entire life they would probably have more to live off of in old age.
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Maybe, or they could have just gone to the Bahamas. Which they would have chosen to do on their own. A much preferable option. People should always get to choose where their money should get spent. Taxes are the death of any economy. Lower everybody's taxes!
lsucet
Minister of Fire
It is hard to be away from the family. I did trucking many years and always away from the family I didn't see any of my kids getting born. Some jobs requires to be away. I was owner operator work for me, have others working and leasing under my authority and I still working. I know is nice to be with the family and see them everyday but my job didn't allowed it. I can be a month gone at a time regardless that I was my own boss and able to make decisions of when to go home. I don't think that was an issue neither. Our family is okay and united. They just appreciate my sacrifice.
At least I was able to supply a decent life to them. The kind the many don't have. Sometimes you have to choose and I choose work hard, away and make the money.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
I think we can all agree that the system is broken if it requires 99% of the people in it to sacrifice moments with their families that will never happen again when the other 1% has no such hardship. No matter how you qualify and rationalize your time away from you family, it is time you never get back. Meanwhile there's a tiny minority that gets to do whatever they want because you are away from your family. Then you will say I'm a crazy liberal lazy person or whatever, but your rhetoric makes the 1% even richer! Is it so much to ask for every citizen to have a decent life when working 40 hrs a week if it means the 1% can't have another summer mansion or yatch? Even actors and athletes are slaves compared to the 1%. Then there's the part where there are even more impoverished people abroad that don't have to live that way.
The wealth holders of the world might even start to sweat if even a few of the 99% could get along.
The wealth holders of the world might even start to sweat if even a few of the 99% could get along.
Yes that is true. And that was your decision to do that. I chose a job where I can be home every day with my family. Neither is right or wrong. The problem comes when single parents or both parents need to work long hours to make ends meet.
lsucet
Minister of Fire
It sound easier than what it is. Many have no choice, this or that is what is available. In trucking industry including if you are local and can go everyday home the average hrs are between 10 to 12 hrs legally. Somebody has to do those jobs and many make a career and are successful in life. I really don't get the Importance and the big deal of work more than 40hrs a week, and in what that change your quality of life. In which way the people that work more than that, don't have a family quality time? What make you think that you can have better time with your family than the one that works more hrs? If everyone have that mentality.........oh well. I am just saying not crating an argument, but I just, don't see it right.
I think you have it pretty close to right, I also live in an area where many good paying jobs require long hours to be put in. There are lots of Monday to Friday 40hr week kind of jobs around but the hourly pay is barely above minimum wage. If you plan to get ahead you have to take a job that works longer days and more days at a time. For instance this past week I put in 42hrs, I think it's been close to 2 years since I had a work week that slow, we typically run 50-70hrs per week, but on top of the hours the pay is substantially higher. I'm also the kind of person that doesn't like to sit around and do nothing on my spare time, and the fun things cost money making the hours spent at work worth it.
Maybe start by removing the tariffs which are a tax in protectionist clothing.
It's not just the work hours. My commute was 3 hrs per day on a good day, sometimes an hour longer. Add that to a 8+ hr workday and there was not a lot of family time left. Eventually I was able to start telecommuting. That and a sane workday were a godsend to me when raising a family. I had one child with a disability that affected learning ability. He needed a lot of help to progress in school.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Only in exchange for other countries removing their tariffs. Thats were the rub is ,other countries charging us a fortune in tariffs for many years. Much more than we have been charging them.
I don't think so. The tariffs are a tax on us and our economy. They are accomplishing little other than internal pain. And now we are paying subsidies to ease that pain. More debt.
IMO those protectionist tariffs are the only way for the US manufacturers to compete. How in the world can the US compete with other countries that have next to no environmental, labor, or wage standards such as China? China does the exact same thing, want to buy a US made car in China, put a 25% tariff on top of the price. To buy a Chinese car in the US should be at least a 40% tariff to compensate for the extra regulations imposed on domestic US car makers.
China is absolutely ruthless in it's bid to take over as absolute economic superpower of the world. For instance Canada arrested the Huawei CFO on an American warrant to extradite her to the US for prosecution. Since then China has banned all imports of Canadian Canola which effects about 43,000 producers. China is nothing short of the schoolyard bully throwing it's weight around. The problem is of all the world leaders only Trump is willing to stand up to the Chinese.
lsucet
Minister of Fire
I really see the point and we all have different situations. One way or the other I know is hard.
How true! One thing I am sure of, is that we all want the best for our families and neighbors.
Its refreshing that we can discuss these topics in a civil way and then go help somebody having an issue learning to operate a woodstove in the main forums. Being able to come back together within minutes to work on a problem is inspiring!
Its refreshing that we can discuss these topics in a civil way and then go help somebody having an issue learning to operate a woodstove in the main forums. Being able to come back together within minutes to work on a problem is inspiring!
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to even be around excited children after 12+ hours of being awake, working, and generally tired. You must have more patience than a Buddhist monk!
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
No, China is the kid being bullied that is finally fighting back. The US bullied them, and the rest of the world, in the first place.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
So whats your solution to other countries charging us high tariffs. I hope its not the same one we have been using for 30 years which is to just let them keep dumping on us. And draining our country of cash and jobs. Each 1 Billion of trade deficit is 20,000 jobs transferred out of the US. Times that by china's deficit alone, its in the millions of jobs, Iv yet to hear credible solutions from those who complain about tariffs. Tariffs are a temporary tool while negotiating a permanent solution. Best case scenario is NO tariffs either way.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
How is that. China has been charging us 25% tariffs while we charge them 3% for many years . Were the shmuck ,not the bully. Some countries charge us 100% tariffs on our goods. Were finally fighting back. China is NO kid! They are eating our lunch in many ways. They are taking over the south china sea ,gobbling up other countries property and building bases there and no one is attempting to stop them. Not a kid at all but an 800lb gorilla!
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We could probably argue this back and forth all day. The fact is the Chinese have massive resources dedicated to hacking the servers and computers of other countries and the private companies of other countries to steal information and trade secrets. They have on hundreds of occasions have stole the work and designs of western products to reproduce and sell both within China and abroad. They are extremely protective of their patents and a foreign entity will rarely win a case in Chinese court on patent infringement, yet they come down hard if a Chinese patent is infringed. The worst part is these issues are state sponsored. At least in the west the government provides a fair legal directive for businesses to follow and a court system to have issues heard and tried.
The simple fact of the matter is China has led the US in GDP growth for the better part of the last 40 years. Millions of jobs have been outsourced to China to the point that the US would fail to have many necessary products on the shelves of stores in the event of a trade embargo with China.
Yeah, China is not innocent. From currency manipulation to loaning money to countries that cant possibly pay it back in order to have them over a barrel, China has imperialist ambitions.
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
I'll make this line by line
Hacking: Do you really think the US doesn't hack anyone?
Tariffs/production: We decided to outsource jobs to China so that Americans didn't have to work for pennies. That was a choice made by the American people.
Copyrights: If you think for one moment this doesn't happen in our country you are insane. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that one of the Hearth Forum creators used to make Jotul clones...
The fact of the matter is you are barking up the wrong tree. China didn't steal our jobs, we outsourced them to China. The explosion of Chinese growth is directly because countries like the US invested money into them. How do you think they magically joined the industrial revolution?
So yeah, the US is absolutely the bully in this situation and suddenly everyone is shocked that the Chinese are finally doing something for themselves.
Hacking: Do you really think the US doesn't hack anyone?
Tariffs/production: We decided to outsource jobs to China so that Americans didn't have to work for pennies. That was a choice made by the American people.
Copyrights: If you think for one moment this doesn't happen in our country you are insane. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that one of the Hearth Forum creators used to make Jotul clones...
The fact of the matter is you are barking up the wrong tree. China didn't steal our jobs, we outsourced them to China. The explosion of Chinese growth is directly because countries like the US invested money into them. How do you think they magically joined the industrial revolution?
So yeah, the US is absolutely the bully in this situation and suddenly everyone is shocked that the Chinese are finally doing something for themselves.