Corona Virus

[peakbagger]

Im starting to feel a little restless with isolation / lockdown. The weather is starting to improve here, its been about 6 weeks of isolation and I want to go to my local state park and do some social distancing fishing. In NJ our governor decided to also close all state parks, which caused a domino effect of many county and town parks closing too. Unfortunately that means many river access points in my area were closed off because the land is either owned by the state, county or town.
I get why the park systems were closed in the beginning of the virus, we didn't have the info or supplies we needed to be safe, masks and disinfectants were stripped, but now with our existing guidelines in place and a return of basic safety products, I think its time to ease up on some of our restrictions, like opening our parks under the premise that you need to have distancing from each other, I think we are smart enough, although our president made a joke about ingesting household cleaner to kill the virus and well.. you see what's happening.

Here you go. zoom into the area who want to recreate somewhere, zoom in on the location find a nearby piece of conserved land and then click on the lot to see if its open to the public http://www.protectedlands.net/map/

 

[Medic21]

While I am all for figuring how to open up this is what happens when one plant does not listen to guidelines. This is where I work and I called this 2 months ago knowing the demographics of the employees and the working conditions. Last Friday we had 59 cases in the county and a large testing underway at a local plant. Today we have 1025 cases after testing the entire plant and shutting it down on Friday.


While I think we can do it we have to be smart about it. We have the highest per capita caseload in the state and close to probably anywhere. 272/10,000

 

[kennyp2339]

@peakbagger Thanks, cool map, but just as I suspected, the peoples republic of NJ land is closed.

 

[moresnow]

I have a friend in Iowa who is an actuary (ie: insurance, statistics, rates, etc). Iowa ranks #42 in testing, #16 in number of cases, no shelter in place mandate, and are about to relax what restrictions are in place currently, despite additional outbreaks at Tyson foods and a doubling in the last week for retirement homes. No evidence of hitting any kind of peak, or even coming close to flattening of a curve. She mentions they are being set up for, and likely to have, one of the worst round twos in the country. Hmm, what did she say? Round two. She's a statistician. She sees what goes on through a different lense, and is talking about round two.

This Iowa woman you speak of......
Is off her rocker. Period.

 

[Sawset]

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This Iowa woman you speak of......
Is off her rocker. Period.

Probably. We'll see.
Good at math though, whole family is.

 

[moresnow]

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Probably. We'll see.
Good at math though, whole family is.

I've been a supporter of herself and former administration forever. Circle talk and completely useless daily press conferences that seemingly answer zero questions have soured my view. Sadly.

I made a living in mathematics. Her math is not working for me. I wish everyone good luck!

 

[begreen]

Yes, I have read that centuries ago, urban populations tended to have better immunity to newer mutated viruses because they had more frequent exposure (than isolated rural communities) to related viruses over prior decades.

But in the short term, over weeks or months, isolation can be a benefit. The example of self-isolated American Somoa (with zero deaths) during the Spanish Flu seems notable.

New Zealand and Taiwan will be interesting to study over time. They have done an excellent job of controlling spread so far, including in urban areas.

 

[Sawset]

I've been a supporter of herself and former administration forever. Circle talk and completely useless daily press conferences that seemingly answer zero questions have soured my view. Sadly.

I made a living in mathematics. Her math is not working for me. I wish everyone good luck!

Ok, I get it. No this is just a high school friend. Known the family for years. And she has a habit of crunching a lot of numbers. And had an opinion. I thought it was interesting about this so called round two. I get the feeling this whole thing will be around for some time, and there are plenty of experiments out now about how nations and states are handling it. And down the road, what will come of it all. Who knows. Maybe this is all booyah over reaction, and the deciders will be thrown to the wolves. Hmm, or maybe not. Maybe this winter will be another episode, and no one will have the nads or desire to do what we're doing now, and will pay dearly for it. Or not.

 

[paulnlee]

Check out the devastation to our fishing business, this moron Murphy

Im starting to feel a little restless with isolation / lockdown. The weather is starting to improve here, its been about 6 weeks of isolation and I want to go to my local state park and do some social distancing fishing. In NJ our governor decided to also close all state parks, which caused a domino effect of many county and town parks closing too. Unfortunately that means many river access points in my area were closed off because the land is either owned by the state, county or town.
I get why the park systems were closed in the beginning of the virus, we didn't have the info or supplies we needed to be safe, masks and disinfectants were stripped, but now with our existing guidelines in place and a return of basic safety products, I think its time to ease up on some of our restrictions, like opening our parks under the premise that you need to have distancing from each other, I think we are smart enough, although our president made a joke about ingesting household cleaner to kill the virus and well.. you see what's happening.

Check out the ocean fishing , moron Murf the no surf is destroying.

 

[begreen]

@Medic21 I think you will appreciate this article on the positive outcome in Chicago where they are avoiding using ventilators unless absolutely necessary.

UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives for COVID-19

High-flow nasal cannulas require extra PPE, but coronavirus patients respond well

news.uchicago.edu

 

[Medic21]

@Medic21 I think you will appreciate this article on the positive outcome in Chicago where they are avoiding using ventilators unless absolutely necessary.

UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives for COVID-19

High-flow nasal cannulas require extra PPE, but coronavirus patients respond well

news.uchicago.edu

I just unpacked a case of the devises for our ambulances this morning. We may have to start transporting our pts direct to larger facilities. Because of one plant we are getting killed right now.

 

[Medic21]

UPDATE: Public emergency declared as Cass surpasses 1,000 COVID-19 cases

www.pharostribune.com

This is what happens when companies do not follow guidelines.

 

[begreen]

UPDATE: Public emergency declared as Cass surpasses 1,000 COVID-19 cases

www.pharostribune.com

This is what happens when companies do not follow guidelines.

Sad to hear this, it's happening here too, but not on that scale so far.

Severe coronavirus outbreaks stagger some meat-packing plants in Washington

The toll on the meat processing industry has stunned some of industry's biggest players, and prompted an urgent push to redefine workplace protections needed to keep products flowing into grocery stores amid the global pandemic.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[Medic21]

Sad to hear this, it's happening here too, but not on that scale so far.

Severe coronavirus outbreaks stagger some meat-packing plants in Washington

The toll on the meat processing industry has stunned some of industry's biggest players, and prompted an urgent push to redefine workplace protections needed to keep products flowing into grocery stores amid the global pandemic.

www.seattletimes.com

The number of people that were coming to work sick was outrageous. They offered a $500 bonus for perfect attendance for the month of April so no one would call off for any reason. That and they were advised to close for two weeks at the beginning of the month. Had they staggered their plant closures over a month and a half they would have curbed this and been in a lot better position than having all their Midwest plants closed at once. We have had by far the largest outbreak, I attribute that to telling workers that are financially struggling they will get an extra $500 for attendance, of any of their plants. 550 cases and growing. Pretty sad that a county with a population of 38,000 has more more than double the cases of a county of over 300,000. That to me is reckless behavior.

 

[begreen]

This virus is going to keep lawyers busy for years.

 

[Medic21]

This virus is going to keep lawyers busy for years.

I’m very curious to see how that situation will pan out here. Reckless decisions at the minimum.

 

[Ashful]

This virus is going to keep lawyers busy for years.

I think I said that somewhere back in the first three pages of this thread. But New York and Mass are already leading the way to dismiss or limit the liability of healthcare workers and facilities during this pandemic, either by executive order (Cuomo/NYC) or legislastion (MA Senate bill).

 

[Medic21]

I think I said that somewhere back in the first three pages of this thread. But New York and Mass are already leading the way to dismiss or limit the liability of healthcare workers and facilities during this pandemic, either by executive order (Cuomo/NYC) or legislastion (MA Senate bill).

I don’t know how you can give immunity to companies that acted recklessly.

 

[WinterinWI]

I think I said that somewhere back in the first three pages of this thread. But New York and Mass are already leading the way to dismiss or limit the liability of healthcare workers and facilities during this pandemic, either by executive order (Cuomo/NYC) or legislastion (MA Senate bill).

A number of other states already passed this, including Wisconsin. Wisconsin's version is horrible. Essentially gives immunity to healthcare providers during this period of time for negligence of any kind.

Wisconsin Expands Immunity For Health Care Providers And Health Care Manufacturers, Distributors & Sellers Amidst COVID-19 | JD Supra

On April 15, 2020, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers signed 2019 WISCONSIN ACT 185, Wisconsin’s COVID-19 relief bill, into law. This legislative...

www.jdsupra.com

 

[moresnow]

UPDATE: Public emergency declared as Cass surpasses 1,000 COVID-19 cases

www.pharostribune.com

This is what happens when companies do not follow guidelines.

Same exact story here. Tysons will forever be held accountable. Research Tysons Black Hawk County, Iowa. It was public knowledge that there was a outbreak for a couple weeks before they agreed to close. Massive infection rate increase now. I've lost any trust I had in our state government. Unbelievable.

 

[begreen]

I think I said that somewhere back in the first three pages of this thread. But New York and Mass are already leading the way to dismiss or limit the liability of healthcare workers and facilities during this pandemic, either by executive order (Cuomo/NYC) or legislastion (MA Senate bill).

I'm not thinking of caregivers and healthcare workers, I'm thinking of businesses that defied stay at home orders resulting in loss of life.

 

[Medic21]

A number of other states already passed this, including Wisconsin. Wisconsin's version is horrible. Essentially gives immunity to healthcare providers during this period of time for negligence of any kind.

Wisconsin Expands Immunity For Health Care Providers And Health Care Manufacturers, Distributors & Sellers Amidst COVID-19 | JD Supra

On April 15, 2020, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers signed 2019 WISCONSIN ACT 185, Wisconsin’s COVID-19 relief bill, into law. This legislative...

www.jdsupra.com

This is not a free for all. It’s just like ours. There is good reason as to why we need this. Not working cardiac arrests that we normally may have is only one reason.

The elective procedure thing is huge. And some procedures while not anywhere life threatening could cause disability if put off. That’s a big thing to be protected from. And finally...

That little statement does not give protection for a gross negligence suit. The three components need to be may as normal. Failure to act when a duty is there, harm caused, and a direct correlation between the action and harm.

 

[Sodbuster]

This is not a free for all. It’s just like ours. There is good reason as to why we need this. Not working cardiac arrests that we normally may have is only one reason.

The elective procedure thing is huge. And some procedures while not anywhere life threatening could cause disability if put off. That’s a big thing to be protected from. And finally...
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That little statement does not give protection for a gross negligence suit. The three components need to be may as normal. Failure to act when a duty is there, harm caused, and a direct correlation between the action and harm.

Medic 21, what would you say is your biggest shortage in critical safety equipment?

 

[Medic21]

Medic 21, what would you say is your biggest shortage in critical safety equipment?

We just got a huge delivery today of PPE. Partly because we are now on the states radar having the per capita case load quadrupled of any other county in the state. We are at 227/10,000 residents. Closest to us is 47/10000 residents.

how long it lasts is to be seen. I’ve had more covid pts today than the last 6 weeks combined but, no real high risk. As the transfers on ventilators increase we will burn through a lot more. I will reuse a N95 If the pt can tolerate a mask and its not saturated. They are still single use to me with aerosolizing procedures like CPAP, BiPAP, neb treatments, or vented. I was just discussing the ability to decon the rubberized tyvek suits and how to do it with my shift. In all honesty respiratory and eye protection is what’s needed. The rest is overkill.

 

[Sodbuster]

We just got a huge delivery today of PPE. Partly because we are now on the states radar having the per capita case load quadrupled of any other county in the state. We are at 227/10,000 residents. Closest to us is 47/10000 residents.

how long it lasts is to be seen. I’ve had more covid pts today than the last 6 weeks combined but, no real high risk. As the transfers on ventilators increase we will burn through a lot more. I will reuse a N95 If the pt can tolerate a mask and its not saturated. They are still single use to me with aerosolizing procedures like CPAP, BiPAP, neb treatments, or vented. I was just discussing the ability to decon the rubberized tyvek suits and how to do it with my shift. In all honesty respiratory and eye protection is what’s needed. The rest is overkill.

Would face shields be considered eye protection?