Top Load Lid "Warped" FAILED Dollar Bill Test (Lopi Leyden)

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Feeling the Heat
Dec 7, 2012
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New York
In my on going effort to get this stove to burn right, as suggested, I have performed the dollar bill test. Basically, it failed the "stack of dollar bills" test.

The top load lid has never sat right, but I never gave it much thought. It sort of rocks from front left corner to right rear corner. I took it off and set it on the floor and it looks, well the best way to describe it is like a warped piece of plywood.

I did the lit candle test, and air is being sucked in under the front left and right rear corners.

Could the lid have just been cast poorly?

Anyone have any experience dealing with the manufacturer Lopi in getting replacement parts? Would I go through the dealer or manufacturer?

The thing is only a few months old. Thanks in advance.
 
Warranty time. That definitely sounds like a factory defect if it has not been badly overfired.
 
I don't think that's legally required. Just contact your dealer and show them the problem.
 
No registration required, if you have paperwork showing place and date of purchase.
 
My dealer told me if the lid is warped, that it has been overfired and LOPI will not cover it. Best to check with your dealer though. We bought ours in August and have been burning since October. Only issue has been that the combustor started flaking. It did not come apart, but WAS replaced under warranty. The service guy checked our lid and said we were doing well with temps as it was not warped. He mentioned that warped lids are a common issue with these stoves and usually result from overfiring.
 
It never really sat right from the beginning, but will they believe that?

And I'm obviously inexperienced and worried that I may have over fired it, BUT:

I have never burned the stove when we weren't sitting in the room watching it, and the fire has never raged for more than a few minutes, and the stove has never glowed red, and I'm burning poor quality wood with an enviblock thrown in to the mix.

Would it really warp in that short a period of time?

And if 2 minutes is all it takes to cause that kind of damage, what kind of quality are we talking about here?
 
you are sure there was no over-fire?
 
Not totally sure, but like I said above, I don't think I've created an over fire situation.

Just how long would it have to over fire to warp a cast iron lid? More than a few minutes?
 
Seems to me the rep saying it is a common thing is enough proof there is a problem with the top.How many people overfire their stove.I would go back to the dealer and tell him it was not an overfire situation.If you cannot get him to do anything contact Travis industries at 405-6092500
 
It never really sat right from the beginning, but will they believe that?

And I'm obviously inexperienced and worried that I may have over fired it, BUT:

I have never burned the stove when we weren't sitting in the room watching it, and the fire has never raged for more than a few minutes, and the stove has never glowed red, and I'm burning poor quality wood with an enviblock thrown in to the mix.

Would it really warp in that short a period of time?

And if 2 minutes is all it takes to cause that kind of damage, what kind of quality are we talking about here?


No, normally that should not be an overfire situation. Defects can and do happen to the best castings. They may be uncommon in better cast stoves, but they still occasionally show up. This is a good reason to notify the dealer right away when something doesn't seem right. Then record the date of complaint in the manual as a record.

If the top was not sitting right, it probably means the gasket wasn't seating right either. Air leaks can lead to a local area overfire. If the stove was doing a secondary combustion burn just under the lid that may have exacerbated the warping. Moral of the story is don't wait until a small problem becomes a big one. Hopefully your dealer is a good one and will go to bat for you here.

If the warranty claim is honored, the dealer should come out and install the new lid and make sure that it is level and sealing correctly before leaving. The problem may not be in the lid, but with the mating surface. This should be inspected by examining the castings closely and placing a straight edge on the top of the stove.
 
I would imagine they'll cover it. Even if the lid is a couple hundred bucks retail it seems like it would just be good business. I used to replace melted burn tubes a lot (once) educate the customer again on how to burn the stove and move on.
 
I have never burned the stove when we weren't sitting in the room watching it, and the fire has never raged for more than a few minutes, and the stove has never glowed red, and I'm burning poor quality wood with an enviblock thrown in to the mix.
It's probably a good policy to keep an eye one this stove. I would have never said that in the past, until I owned a Leyden.
The next time that you are running the stove pretty hard, turn out all the lights and check for glowing parts. My Brown Leyden would glow down low on the back, and a time or two the entire area around the flue collar had glowed. The Red Leyden would glow on the entire back, once running away to over 1000::F!
When it did this, I couldn't see any glow unless the lights were all out. These stoves were glowing under normal operating conditions(bypass shut, air all the way off).
 
I'll try it tonight. With all the air rushing under the lid, it's burning fast anyway.

Was it the stove itself that glowed in the back, or the steel box that houses the combustion?
 
I know there are people on here who like their leydens, but it's been a frustrating year for me. I'm going to give it till the end of next year with good seasoned wood before I pass judgement, but I'm worried I made an expensive mistake.
 
I'll try it tonight. With all the air rushing under the lid, it's burning fast anyway.

Was it the stove itself that glowed in the back, or the steel box that houses the combustion?
The cast Iron back was glowing.
My first Leyden was totally different than the red one I tried out.
The brown one was sluggish, but then a few times it went wild and would glow, especially down low on the side, behind the rear shield.
The Red one would run hot all the time, like it had a bad leak, but passes the dollar test. It would go nuclear every time if you filled it up.

When was the stove manufactured? The rep that looked at my Leyden said it didn't have the latest revisions. They have updated the combustion package, door hinges and the flue collar, according to him. They are sending all the parts to upgrade both stoves.
Maybe your stove was sitting around the warehouse for a while. It should have a date on the back info tag.
 
I'll try it tonight. With all the air rushing under the lid, it's burning fast anyway.

Was it the stove itself that glowed in the back, or the steel box that houses the combustion?

I would not continue to burn with the lid in this condition. More damage could occur if it is leaking air through the lid. Have you inspected the stove top with a straight edge yet? Also, examine the top lid gasket to see if it is irregular. If the dealer finds there is a casting flaw in the main body that has caused this problem, then I would ask about them taking it back in exchange for a new and different model like the Cape Cod.
 
I just came back from the dealer. Took the lid off the floor model and it was flat as a pancake. Set mine down next to it, and it was rocking like the warped piece of ... that it is.

They gave me a new gasket for around the lid that is one size bigger than is supposed to be there and proposed this as a solution. It still does not pass the dollar bill test, but the seal is much better. I am burning a very small fire right now that is under much better control than ever before, but it's not a long term solution, obviously.

He wants me to leave the lid with him for the week to have the manufacturers rep come in to look at it. The dealer told me "That's a new stove, and they are well built, they shouldn't warp under those conditions, lets see if we can get it covered under the warranty."

I would love for it to be a flaw in the body itself. I think I would like to get the cape cod. I no longer fear the CAT after reading this site.

Also, too many doors and gaskets, more chances for something to go wrong. I think I can live without the top load door.
 
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