Renewables in a hurricane

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At close to 2kW load, the gas generator burns ~0.5 gallons per hour.
Glad to hear you got thru OK.

I get about about the same "mileage" on my 5500 W unit. Having dealt w/ several extended outages in the last few years I can say fuel consumption using a conventional unit is a major difficulty. Especially painful when you're running w/ low load demand.

I've been optimizing my setup and decided to buy a 2000 W inverter generator as a second unit. Will run 10 hrs on a gallon @ 25% load and is whisper quiet. Of course having made the purchase I've insured no outages for at least a few years.
 
Some thoughts coming out of rebuilding and decentralizing the infrastructure after the devastation left by Irma.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/rebuilding-resilient-renewable-caribbean
They wont have much choice . If they want to keep living in the path of hurricanes. Will be very difficult to build the same old way ,unless you plan to NOT have insurance. Im sure the insurance companies will demand new building codes in order to be insured at all. The whole gulf coast is probably in for a big price increase for insurance.
 
Post Andrew, there was a lot of forensic engineering of damaged structures. Florida's codes were updated and building inspectors actually started inspecting. To date I haven't seen any real analysis of how newer built to code buildings stood up compared to older buildings. Down in the keys there were a lot of older homes especially mobile homes that were grandfathered. They were cheap to live in but once they get wiped out they can not be replaced. I expect there were also a lot of older structures along the gulf who got hammered. Developers look at storms like these as its the opportunity to find new properties to buy to redevelop.
 
Sounds like the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico are about to get hammered again tomorrow. By the time these storms finish there won't be much to rebuild or the funds to do it. I hope they get folks evacuated in time.
 
For some reason, the cable shows where they show three houses at the ocean or on a tropical island seem to have switched to showing places in Alaska of late. ;).

I would be really interested on how the "beachfront deals" homes are making it out.
 
For the Keys even a structure that can withstand 200MPH winds would still be susceptible to the storm surge . Pretty hard to make it waterproof. Perhaps most new structures will be on stilts open underneath. For higher elevations you still got to deal with a foot or 2 of rain on top of the wind.
 
The standard approach is the house goes up on engineered "stilts" with wall panels that are loosely attached on the ground floor , if there is a surge, the panels blow out and the water runs under the structure. The area can be used for a garage and accessory space but flood insurance doesn't pay a dime for anything in that space. Many folks put in bootleg guest rooms or apartments in those spaces and take their chances. Of course add in the winds with an elevated structure and that makes a pretty beefy set of stilts. New construction in many areas reportedly require steel reinforcements straps that run from the foundation, up over the plates and then continuing up the wall and then wrapping over the roof rafters. I think they also use a lot more reinforcing clips in place of nailing and a lot of construction adhesives. There is a lot of attention paid on holes in walls like where windows used to be after a projectile hit it. What happens is the wind get inside the house and blows out the roof or walls from the inside. I think hurricane shutters are pretty well mandatory now in high wind areas.

Buildings usually fail due to bad details, details cost money so builders tend to skip over them unless the inspector is watching. Florida reportedly had very weak local building codes with weak enforcement pre Andrew as much of the expansion was into rural areas that didn't have the governments they needed to make sure it was done right and its that older stock of homes and buildings that probably bore the brunt. Most folks would rather pay for granite counters then pay a bit more for better building so that's what the builders do. The builders know they are long gone before the next hurricane, so all the need to do is hope the inspector doesn't tag them on shortcuts.

This Old House long ago had a show on raising ranch homes after Hurricane Andrew and did a more recent version on one of their Sandy rebuilds.

Structures can be built to survive high winds. There is a small complex of buildings on Mt Washington NH and some of them survived what at the time was the highest wind speed recorded on Earth (231 MPH) it subsequently become the second windiest place on earth after a higher reading in the middle of tropical cyclone. Some of the older buildings are literally chained to the ground with chains running up over the tops of the sidewalls while the newest building is massive concrete structure. If you go on their webcam you can see the roof https://www.mountwashington.org/premium-content/webcam-videos/observation-deck.aspx (looks rainy today). There are several above tree line mountain "huts" in the same area also that have been around for decades that probably get exposed to similar winds. No storm surge but several feet of snow and they rarely have issues There currently is highly controversial hotel proposed near the summit of Mt Washington that is going to have to build for high wind speeds like Florida. Generally the building codes are quiet on zones like these and the local authorities require a PE to sign off on the design and the assumptions and that stamp doesn't come cheap.
 
Back to the original question. It looks like when you have 155mph winds sitting over your country for hours that renewables won't help much if they are grid connected. Puerto Rico's power infrastructure has been devastated. Large solar installations took a hit, but even if they didn't, the transmission network is down over most of the island. This is like the state of Connecticut losing power - for months. Those people that had small local solar systems may make out for at least having lighting, but overall there is not much power on the island unless you have a generator and fuel is running out. That means no water for many areas, no sewer, no refrigeration, no communications, and in some places the roads and bridges are destroyed too.

I can't recall a greater disaster to ever have hit in the US. Unlike stateside, PR can not connect to a neighboring grid or bring in crews from neighboring states. Repairs to major transmission system parts may require flying them out to the states, then flying them back. The US Virgin Islands are not fairing much better. In the case of PR however, with the power structure bankrupt, there aren't the funds to rebuild.

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I can't recall a greater disaster to ever have hit in the US. Unlike stateside, PR can not connect to a neighboring grid or bring in crews from neighboring states. Repairs to major transmission system parts may require flying them out to the states, then flying them back. The US Virgin Islands are not fairing much better. In the case of PR however, with the power structure bankrupt, there aren't the funds to rebuild.

Yes, it's a real travesty. And many American's don't even know that Puerto Rico is part of the United States of America, Puerto Ricans are full American citizens who pay their US taxes, they just don't have statehood.

Yes, power crews CAN be sent from other states but the logistics are certainly more difficult because everything has to travel by boat or airplane. And then there are the logistics of where to house and feed the crews imported from stateside. They sent an aircraft carrier to the Keys but I think Puerto Rico needs a lot more help than that.
 
Yes, it's a real travesty. And many American's don't even know that Puerto Rico is part of the United States of America, Puerto Ricans are full American citizens who pay their US taxes, they just don't have statehood.

Yes, power crews CAN be sent from other states but the logistics are certainly more difficult because everything has to travel by boat or airplane. And then there are the logistics of where to house and feed the crews imported from stateside. They sent an aircraft carrier to the Keys but I think Puerto Rico needs a lot more help than that.
A carrier might be a good idea. Lots of helicopters are going to be needed to deliver food, water, materials and medicine.
 
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I think its time for the National Guard and the Army Corp of engineers to get involved there in a big way!
 
Indeed. A Navy hospital ship would also help.
 
Seems like our massive military industrial complex is only used for the benefit of other nations . Like building power plants, schools and sewer plants in Iraq. Being such a huge part of our budget,it can be dual use at the least . May justify its enormous cost to some extent. Here is that big infrastructure project i keep hearing about, hand delivered and shovel ready. Houston ,Florida and PR for starters.
 
You can be sure giant contracts are going out to the usual suspects - Halliburton, Blackwater,Fluor, etc..
Building materials too like Weyerhaeuser, Louisiana-Pacific and USG — to road aggregates — Martin Marietta Materials' wheelhouse — to roofing — the specialty of Owens Corning and Beacon Roofing will benefit for the next year.
 
Since 50% of working age males were not working there before the storm it may be a good chance to start a jobs program there. Get some economic activity going and turn it into something positive.
 
Since 50% of working age males were not working there before the storm it may be a good chance to start a jobs program there. Get some economic activity going and turn it into something positive.

I'm curious where you found that Puerto Rican unemployment statistic?
 
Puerto Rico is having trouble getting fuel and oil they desperately need after the hurricane and the current administration hasn't given them the waivers they need:

https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAswO69?m=en-us
 
Puerto Rico is having trouble getting fuel and oil they desperately need after the hurricane and the current administration hasn't given them the waivers they need:

https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAswO69?m=en-us
Seems the trouble is the roads are not passable yet ,the fuel is there ,just cant get to those far away stations over land.
 
I'm curious where you found that Puerto Rican unemployment statistic?
Was in a news article about the island being deep in debt, and the sorry state its been governed for a long time. Regardless they need emergency services same as florida and Texas . Perfect place and time for a 30 s era jobs corp. Im sure a good number of homes and business were insured so , no excuse for that kind of unemployment rate going forward ,rebuilding means jobs ,lots of em.
 
New construction in many areas reportedly require steel reinforcements straps that run from the foundation, up over the plates and then continuing up the wall and then wrapping over the roof rafters. I think they also use a lot more reinforcing clips in place of nailing and a lot of construction adhesives. There is a lot of attention paid on holes in walls like where windows used to be after a projectile hit it. What happens is the wind get inside the house and blows out the roof or walls from the inside. I think hurricane shutters are pretty well mandatory now in high wind areas.

Buildings usually fail due to bad details, details cost money so builders tend to skip over them unless the inspector is watching. Florida reportedly had very weak local building codes with weak enforcement pre Andrew as much of the expansion was into rural areas that didn't have the governments they needed to make sure it was done right and its that older stock of homes and buildings that probably bore the brunt. Most folks would rather pay for granite counters then pay a bit more for better building so that's what the builders do. The builders know they are long gone before the next hurricane, so all the need to do is hope the inspector doesn't tag them on shortcuts.

Structures can be built to survive high winds.

Yes, they can. Many old homes in FL can also be retrofit, if you can find an older structural PE who understands high wind zones and is willing to work with you. After Hurricanes Frances, Jeanne, and Wilma, my wife and I were able to work with a PE to retrofit our 1962 two story, combination concrete block and wood frame home. You definitely want some form of steel providing a connection from the foundation on up, and clips securing the rafters to the top plate. For my house, a retrofit meant unwrapping the entire second floor (all the sheathing off) so threaded rods could be epoxied into the poured top beam on the concrete block first story. Those threaded rods go up through the walls with nuts on top of the top plate of the wood framed walls. The rods are capped with hurricane washers and nuts "finger tight", not torqued. The hurricane clips tie the rafters to the top plate, and rest assured the inspectors count nails. Inspectors in my little town have always been sticklers, but post Andrew was a whole new level of attention to detail.

As I listen to the daily news reports of Puerto Rico, I can't help but think: America has the technology to fix this. Electric can be run underground just as water and sewer are. It's not rocket science. We may need to develop a whole new foundation system for ground mounted transformers, to give them some level of flood resistance, but that is not too problematic. (right now, a ground mounted power transformer to feed a neighborhood typically uses a slab on grade foundation). Do you really need to put some of the infrastructure back? Is there a reason to put wire based phones back at all? If you're replacing cabling for internet and television, put fiber in, and put it underground.

The real question becomes, whether distributed renewable energy systems become more economical to reattach the outlying communities than burying the grid to get power back to them? I know where our second home is, in Northern Maine, outlying properties can have very steep connection costs to bring the grid to them, and that is with overhead wiring. Every major hurricane points out the issue with overhead wiring in wind prone areas. A large enough force (high wind) pressing on an old wooden lever arm (power pole), tends to snap them off. Throw in wind borne debris, and survival gets very tough on any utility wiring overhead.

As for technology to make hurricane damaged areas habitable in the short term, I see opportunities for people making competition for SunDanzer refrigerators. Low power consumption refrigeration cooling systems capable of running off a combination of solar and stored battery power exist.
 
Probably a good % of those homes in rural areas will never be rebuilt. Will cost a lot of $ to build it storm proof and off grid those $ are just not there in PR. Even the cash to rebuild the public grid will be hard to come by unless its a grant cuz ,i think PR has been borrowed out to the max for some time.
 
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It looks like the administration finally realized you don't play crony capitalism with Americans who are suffering.
More about optics than need. It just makes one less thing to blame on the US govt for PRs internal problems with distribution. Im betting lifting the rule will make zero difference since the port is already clogged with goods.
 
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