pacific energy summit in need of repair-is it worth my money-have I been scammed

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LouCammie

LouCammie

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Dec 15, 2017
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st johns , newfoundland, canada
I have aquired a pacific energy summit--only to discover the window cracked and then pon removal of the window the peice holing it in was rusted ad fell off..so that needs repair...then i discovered that the baffle has a giant crack in it and just inside the door above is a rusted out hole -is this even possible to repair safely-how much would it cost-is it worth my money I paid 1100 for it and to buy new they are over 3800 plus 18% tax her in canada...I am desperate for info-I dont know how to do any of this so I would have to hire someone -how much would u estimate parts and labour to be?
 
LouCammie said:
I have aquired a pacific energy summit--only to discover the window cracked and then pon removal of the window the peice holing it in was rusted ad fell off..so that needs repair...then i discovered that the baffle has a giant crack in it and just inside the door above is a rusted out hole -is this even possible to repair safely-how much would it cost-is it worth my money I paid 1100 for it and to buy new they are over 3800 plus 18% tax her in canada...I am desperate for info-I dont know how to do any of this so I would have to hire someone -how much would u estimate parts and labour to be?
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There are a lot of PE owners here. Somebody will chime in soon.
 
Was this bought sight unseen or was there an opportunity to discover these issues before purchase?

It's hard to determine how bad the issues are without seeing them. The baffle and glass can be replaced. Can you post some pictures of the stove so that we can see all of the issues and get an overall impression of the stove?
 
begreen said:
Was this bought sight unseen or was there an opportunity to discover these issues before purchase?

It's hard to determine how bad the issues are without seeing them. The baffle and glass can be replaced. Can you post some pictures of the stove so that we can see all of the issues and get an overall impression of the stove?
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site unseen. only paid for delivery. 100 bucks. most of what I have now seen since removed the damaged parts I know can be replacedmy major concern if the hole/split just inside the door at the front top of stove..
 

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Well, that damage didn't occur overnight. Is that the airwash deflector? Can you provide more shots of the stove from a bit further back so that we can see where this damage is. Also can you post shots of the overall condition of the interior firebox and the exterior of the stove?
 
begreen said:
Well, that damage didn't occur overnight. Is that the airwash deflector? Can you provide more shots of the stove from a bit further back so that we can see where this damage is. Also can you post shots of the overall condition of the interior firebox and the exterior of the stove?
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I have taken out the baffle and the sides that hold it and I need to replace them-I need to replace the bricks and the window..other than the damage I have shown u the stove is fine-clearly it was overfired repeatedly. I think that is the
airwash-is that able to be repaired or is it just garbage at this point-really I know only what I have read about stoves-I'm just a single mom trying to get heat in our old house-I am handy bit this may be out of my league
 
Ok, little confused here but... did you pay 1100 or 100?? That has no bearing on if the stove works but 1100 is pretty pricey for something with those issues. Especially sight unseen.

Maybe not a close up of the hole but a better pic of the entire area that is damaged to get a better idea of what we're all looking at, is that doable? It's quite possible that the hole you're looking at is contained inside the stove and won't be an issue for using. If the crack doesn't go through the body of the stove or draw air into the stove it may "only" mess with the stove's efficiency.
 
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I have taken out the baffle and the sides that hold it and I need to replace them-I need to replace the bricks and the window..other than the damage I have shown u the stove is fine-clearly it was overfired repeatedly. I think that is the
airwash-is that able to be repaired or is it just garbage at this point-really I know only what I have read about stoves-I'm just a single mom trying to get heat in our old house-I am handy bit this may be out of my league
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Replacing or repairing the airwash deflector is going to take some metal work and welding. A patch might be possible with a section of stainless pop-riveted in. Hard to tell without seeing more.

My concern is that this stove was either seriously overfired over a long period of time or that it has been burning a lot of driftwood. Did the previous owner live on the coast?

We need to see the pictures I requested earlier to see how salvageable the stove is.
 
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Replacing or repairing the airwash deflector is going to take some metal work and welding. A patch might be possible with a section of stainless pop-riveted in. Hard to tell without seeing more.

My concern is that this stove was either seriously overfired over a long period of time or that it has been burning a lot of driftwood. Did the previous owner live on the coast?

We need to see the pictures I requested earlier to see how salvageable the stove is.
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burned pallets in it I hear-and yes we live on the coast of nknown what he was burning in there although I did find nails in the ash. how imp is the airwash system to the overall stability of the stove-we have no heat and its damn cold here in newfoundland canada-I will try to get the pics to u asap-I dont have a camera or cell phone and m laptop takes terribly dark pics
 
The stove has a nicely balanced system. A big hole in the airwash vane will disrupt the flame flow around the baffle. It should be fixed, even if just with a patch.

Do your best with the pictures. I can lighten them up if they are passable.
 
Just my (sometimes overly cautious) opinion, but that's some nasty damage. I don't know what kind of metal skills you have, or local talent, but I'd be afraid there may be more damage than is visible. As said above, that stove has been abused for some time, either through overfiring and/or salt corrosion maybe leading to cracks, warping, broken welds, or other hard to fix or out of sight damage.

In any case, if you do fix it up, we'd like to see the progress. As I said, I'm the cautious type, but you are in the best position to assess it.
 
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Just my (sometimes overly cautious) opinion, but that's some nasty damage. I don't know what kind of metal skills you have, or local talent, but I'd be afraid there may be more damage than is visible. As said above, that stove has been abused for some time, either through overfiring and/or salt corrosion maybe leading to cracks, warping, broken welds, or other hard to fix or out of sight damage.

In any case, if you do fix it up, we'd like to see the progress. As I said, I'm the cautious type, but you are in the best position to assess it.
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I'm the cautious type too-I wasn't aware there was any damage except a window to be replaced until it arrived in my home. I thought I was dealing with a trustworthy person. I am cautious but naive. I do know some excellent welders-and the parts that need replacing can be replaced. Right now we -my child and I-are living in an unheated 120yr old house with no heat-no insulation and it is -20celcius today. I understand in the USA it is Fahrenheit so the diff between is pretty phenomenal, let's say NL is flipping cold. You can see yr breath in our house. I don't think it will much matter as I doubt if I could even afford to get it repaired. It was a dream. A last-ditch effort. A hope. It arrived in this condition and we, well I was pretty devastated.. We don't have a family to turn to I've failed-again and I'm feeling like a broken woman here today. I appreciate the commentary, however.
 
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Ok, little confused here but... did you pay 1100 or 100?? That has no bearing on if the stove works but 1100 is pretty pricey for something with those issues. Especially sight unseen.

Maybe not a close up of the hole but a better pic of the entire area that is damaged to get a better idea of what we're all looking at, is that doable? It's quite possible that the hole you're looking at is contained inside the stove and won't be an issue for using. If the crack doesn't go through the body of the stove or draw air into the stove it may "only" mess with the stove's efficiency.
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100 for the guys to deliver it- tho †hey did expect me to pay 1100 and then I saw the damage and sai no way-I only paid the 100 because they were n=independant delivery guys and they had nothing to do with the stove or the people trying to sell it/scam me.

there is no damage on theoutside of the stove whatsoever-nothing-†he sticker/epa on the back insists it is only 5 years old
 
Honestly, if it were that cold and I had no heat....I'd make the damn stove work. I'd fix what I could see, take every precaution I could with clearances, chimney and installation but by golly, I'd have heat.

Secondly, there has to be some assistance in that town, either through the churches or the government to keep you and the kids warm. Start asking around.
 
HomeinPA said:
Honestly, if it were that cold and I had no heat....I'd make the damn stove work. I'd fix what I could see, take every precaution I could with clearances, chimney and installation but by golly, I'd have heat.

Secondly, there has to be some assistance in that town, either through the churches or the government to keep you and the kids warm. Start asking around.
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HomeinPA said:
Honestly, if it were that cold and I had no heat....I'd make the damn stove work. I'd fix what I could see, take every precaution I could with clearances, chimney and installation but by golly, I'd have heat.

Secondly, there has to be some assistance in that town, either through the churches or the government to keep you and the kids warm. Start asking around.
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I have been looking for 5 years. There isn't any help. We just live in one room with a space heater and electric blankets-and if it's too cold we go to the grocery store. I am doing my best to get things fixed. I was scammed by a contractor and lost my money to him-he later died of a drug OD before we could get any oney or satisfaction. Unlikely we would have gotten anything back ayway. Time has proven I can't trust anyone. The stove is another bit of proof.
 
Damn! I just google mapped your location and you're really out there! As sure as I'm typing this I'm sure there are plenty of people you can trust there but I certainly know how you feel. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
 
LouCammie said:
I'm the cautious type too-I wasn't aware there was any damage except a window to be replaced until it arrived in my home. I thought I was dealing with a trustworthy person. I am cautious but naive. I do know some excellent welders-and the parts that need replacing can be replaced. Right now we -my child and I-are living in an unheated 120yr old house with no heat-no insulation and it is -20celcius today. I understand in the USA it is Fahrenheit so the diff between is pretty phenomenal, let's say NL is flipping cold. You can see yr breath in our house. I don't think it will much matter as I doubt if I could even afford to get it repaired. It was a dream. A last-ditch effort. A hope. It arrived in this condition and we, well I was pretty devastated.. We don't have a family to turn to I've failed-again and I'm feeling like a broken woman here today. I appreciate the commentary, however.
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Ms Lou get one of your welders to weld a patch over the hole and if you can't put new glass in have the welder weld in a patch where the glass would go.Burn it to get through the winter and start a new after the cold has left.After the welds you should be able to get some heat out of the stove.If you can put a pipe damper in the stove pipe to get more prolonged heat.Buy some firebricks as you go.I wish I was close enough to help you out.May God Bless you.You can get through this.
 
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I'm sure we all wish we could do more to help. If you have a talented friend, you may be able to disassemble the whole thing and at least assess it better that way. At least if you paid only $100 for it, you will have some spare parts if you end up with another PE stove.

You may also be able to sell it for a slight profit to someone who wants the challenge and keep looking for another stove. For the $1100 you were willing to spend, you should still find a good one. Even some new ones aren't much more. Given you current skepticism, I'd look for a reputable but inexpensive new stove. Englander comes go mind for example, such as this one if available up there: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Englander-2-400-sq-ft-Wood-Burning-Stove-30-NCH/100291302, commonly known as Englander 30. These are less than $1000 USD and are highly regarded. Not sure how that translates to your currency. Even PE makes inexpensive but smaller.

Drolet I think is Canadian. I don't know much about them though but seem like good stoves from what I hear.

Good luck and bundle up meantime.
 
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Ms Lou get one of your welders to weld a patch over the hole and if you can't put new glass in have the welder weld in a patch where the glass would go.Burn it to get through the winter and start a new after the cold has left.After the welds you should be able to get some heat out of the stove.If you can put a pipe damper in the stove pipe to get more prolonged heat.Buy some firebricks as you go.I wish I was close enough to help you out.May God Bless you.You can get through this.
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This may be a decent temporary idea to get you through. Just be sure it ends up being safe which would be my main concern. But again, I'm sure you're still spooked, so that's why I'm suggesting to do what you can to find a good but inexpensive new one if possible.
 
I'm my opinion, I would install the stove and use it immediately. The air wash deflector is not going to make the stove unsafe to use. You need heat more than you need to repair the air wash deflector. Repair the stove this spring.
 
If this was advice I was giving starting from scratch the new Drolet HT2000 would be a good choice. I'd still like to see some pictures of the stove that give us a better sense of its overall condition.
 
Marshy said:
I'm my opinion, I would install the stove and use it immediately. The air wash deflector is not going to make the stove unsafe to use. You need heat more than you need to repair the air wash deflector. Repair the stove this spring.
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With a bad baffle and broken glass that is not good advice. There's pretty good verbal evidence that this stove has been run really hard, even after damage started showing up. We do not know the full extent of this damage yet, but it could be extensive and beyond what we are being told.
 
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Here's another suggestion for help: Call Tom (ask for him) at "The Chimney Sweep" in Bellingham, WA. He is extremely helpful, won't hard sell you or anything, but is very good about helping with problems regardless of your position to buy anything. He may even have something he can ship to you, IDK, but has a stellar reputation for being honest and very knowledgeable. Don't let the name misguide you. He is a stove seller, but is very reputable. If he has any used stock, it will be in good shape.

My personal advice would be towards finding a good new one, though. Drolet, Englander, etc.
 
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