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Oh, and I’m so sorry you have a neighbor like this. Everyone spends money on an inspector, or warranty, and insurance when they buy a house, but I’m convinced the money would be better spent on background checks and PI surveillance of the neighbors hahaha


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Ha, the house had a bunch of issues anyway so the inspection was a waste! The wife and I are both frustrated about this emera thing and the surprise renovation from undisclosed damage. At the end of the day, it's still everything we wanted, even if there's some sweat equity involved. Some of the locals say we can probably get Emera to not be such dicks about this whole thing, but I know they will just be dicks again in the future. Even if we don't end up going off grid, our house still needs some new appliances, so we might as well make everything super efficient. Even with having part of our exterior wall made of insulation and plastic, the house has stayed 70+ with 1.5 cords and a half pallet of Bio bricks since mid November.


Sorry, I'm venting a bit, this winter hasn't been easy! ;lol
 
Ha, the house had a bunch of issues anyway so the inspection was a waste! The wife and I are both frustrated about this emera thing and the surprise renovation from undisclosed damage. At the end of the day, it's still everything we wanted, even if there's some sweat equity involved. Some of the locals say we can probably get Emera to not be such dicks about this whole thing, but I know they will just be dicks again in the future. Even if we don't end up going off grid, our house still needs some new appliances, so we might as well make everything super efficient. Even with having part of our exterior wall made of insulation and plastic, the house has stayed 70+ with 1.5 cords and a half pallet of Bio bricks since mid November.


Sorry, I'm venting a bit, this winter hasn't been easy! ;lol

Same here. Our house had issues the inspector missed. The worst part was the previous owner is also our “bad” neighbor in the back. Basically, he knew, and this became the bad neighbor, especially when we didn’t bite on the extra 7 acres separating our properties. He has 25, so I only see him when he rides his daughter on the 4 wheeler once a week to check where I mowed. I’m not kidding. I mowed once around the trees that are on our lines, and he didn’t like it. Screw him. He can pay the property tax on my scene that he owns.

My great neighbor doesn’t like him (or trust him) either, so I’ve got an alliance.


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Same here. Our house had issues the inspector missed. The worst part was the previous owner is also our “bad” neighbor in the back. Basically, he knew, and this became the bad neighbor, especially when we didn’t bite on the extra 7 acres separating our properties. He has 25, so I only see him when he rides his daughter on the 4 wheeler once a week to check where I mowed. I’m not kidding. I mowed once around the trees that are on our lines, and he didn’t like it. Screw him. He can pay the property tax on my scene that he owns.

My great neighbor doesn’t like him (or trust him) either, so I’ve got an alliance.


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I'm trying at all costs to avoid a neighbor fight. We are getting a new survey done this summer for sure. I haven't met any of the other neighbors yet, but we are all separated by several acres.
 
I'm trying at all costs to avoid a neighbor fight. We are getting a new survey done this summer for sure. I haven't met any of the other neighbors yet, but we are all separated by several acres.
Why did the FedEx driver deliver your packages to your neighbors house?
Is your home properly identifiable from the main road?
Why is your neighbor pissed at having to drive around your tractor, was it blocking their egress?

New neighbors don't become new neighbors until they meet under pleasant circumstances. I suggest, with the on set of warmer weather, that you plan on next Saturday walking over to each of your neighbors and exchange "emergency phone numbers". Then ask them about the upcoming spring weather and what a new home owner should watch out for. Then you'll be new neighbors.
 
Why did the FedEx driver deliver your packages to your neighbors house?
Is your home properly identifiable from the main road?
Why is your neighbor pissed at having to drive around your tractor, was it blocking their egress?

New neighbors don't become new neighbors until they meet under pleasant circumstances. I suggest, with the on set of warmer weather, that you plan on next Saturday walking over to each of your neighbors and exchange "emergency phone numbers". Then ask them about the upcoming spring weather and what a new home owner should watch out for. Then you'll be new neighbors.

New driver went right past our driveway without realizing it was there. I caught him the next time, but not before he got an earful from the neighbor. The only part of my tractor in the dirt road was the bucket on the loader. When she brought the packages down she said something along the lines of having to drive around my "machine". I was winching widowmakers away from the power lines. That was the first time she had ever even seen evidence of our existence other than tire tracks.

I have considered baking a loaf of banana bread or similar and taking it up there for a proper introduction. However, I don't want to be shot or accosted by a senior citizen. I think one of my other neighbors on the eastern side of our property has a solar off grid system, we hear their generator occasionally. They aren't on our poles, but I have far less trepidation about meeting them.
 
Ha, I just met the neighbor a few days ago. She came to complain because FedEx left my packages at her house. Next she complained about having to drive around my tractor once, I was cleaning up widowmakers around the power lines. The final thing she asks me is "What are you doing here?". Basically, I doubt this woman will do anything for us and is probably the whole reason our lines aren't on her poles. Our poles were placed when the dirt road only went to our house. At some point the previous owners sold the land north of us, up the road, and a house was built. The dirt road turned into an easement before we ever bought the place. The poles were placed in 1975 before any of that happened in the 80's.


The plot thickens. An emera truck showed up about a month ago to place a couple of new poles along the dirt road. I didn't realize our lines weren't put on them. Especially since they had to disconnect our power to make this happen.

At this point I want to go off grid so I never have to deal with emera again and when I'm old I won't be paying huge electric bills.

What did they put on these new poles? And why would they have to disconnect power if they did not connect u. That set up is strange as i have never seen them do 2 different runs that distance. Usually 1 run and they split it at the end by installing power meters on the poles and going underground to homes, or putting a transformer and splitting from their...

Home inspectors should be held accountable one of the only jobs where you can screw up as bad as you want and still get paid for it... I can see them missing minor things but if they miss something major they should be held accountable for the repair costs. You would see alot drop out of the biz as they are not worth the report they provide.
 
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Just print up hand them a Neighborhood Watch welcome letter, and when they say they didn’t join any program, that’s when you say “are you sure about that?”. Be sure to have your biggest pair of binoculars down at your side.


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What did they put on these new poles? And why would they have to disconnect power if they did not connect u. That set up is strange as i have never seen them do 2 different runs that distance. Usually 1 run and they split it at the end by installing power meters on the poles and going underground to homes, or putting a transformer and splitting from their...

Home inspectors should be held accountable one of the only jobs where you can screw up as bad as you want and still get paid for it... I can see them missing minor things but if they miss something major they should be held accountable for the repair costs. You would see alot drop out of the biz as they are not worth the report they provide.

Yes, I agree, it's nonsense. I called Emera and they said they won't do chit about it and I need to get a contractor if I can't do it. Obviously I told them I have no clue how to handle this and they are graciously sending someone to tell us what needs to happen. Of course Emera didn't give me a way to contact this person or any management and I have to wait for them. Nobody at Emera even informed me of the private pole situation until a month after we moved in, I made the account months before we even closed! Just as another poster said, Emera has also increased their delivery rates. The more they correspond with me, the more I want nothing to do with them. Now I've got this ticking time bomb looming over my driveway....
 
Ha, the nearest utility contractor is an hour away.... Lovely ...
 
Stringing overhead is actually pretty easy. I have done several runs and then just have had the hydro company or electrician come in and do the final connection.. Worse part is its hard on the arms if you dont do it all the time. We just rent a man lift and away we go.

Still do not know why they disconnected your power and put up poles?

Do any of your poles have anchors on them. I see the one does but its pretty loose..

Surprised to see the trees so close to the wires.. No room to get equipment in their in case of a issue..
 
Stringing overhead is actually pretty easy. I have done several runs and then just have had the hydro company or electrician come in and do the final connection.. Worse part is its hard on the arms if you dont do it all the time. We just rent a man lift and away we go.

Still do not know why they disconnected your power and put up poles?

Do any of your poles have anchors on them. I see the one does but its pretty loose..

Surprised to see the trees so close to the wires.. No room to get equipment in their in case of a issue..

This was a vacation house from 1985-2018. Nothing was maintained during that time. When I say nothing, I really mean it. Someone kept the trees from encroaching upon the cleared area and house, but that's it. I don't think the current power company set these poles, only the new ones next to mine on the easement road. I don't know why our power had to be disconnected, the guy just said they were putting up new poles and had to do it. I'm sure the power company will be reasonable and connect to those poles, but they might belong to the neighbor, and that poses a separate issue. I wish I had paid more attention before they came and set up the new poles. I don't think I ever looked closer than making sure no trees were hanging over the lines.
 
So you need to contact your local power company and find out exactly why those poles were put in... they just dont pop em in for no reason, so ether a neighbor is upgrading or their is new construction going in farther back. It would be beneficial to find out as it could save you alot of money. The installers sould have informed you what they were for since they interrupted your service
 
Seems like half the people in Maine are trying to get away from something or everything.
 
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I have considered baking a loaf of banana bread or similar and taking it up there for a proper introduction.
That would work with me. And i'd love to have a neighbor with a tractor! :)

Here's my two cents:
1. Get a bigger house number sign at the end of the driveway.

2. Don't plan on going off grid unless the Quality of Service is so poor. It'll never be cheaper.

3. My last month's home electric usage was 300 kwh, I use Nat Gas for everything. My small vacation cabin which I visit one weekend a month, and keep at 55 deg F, used 1760 kwh for the same month (all electric). Get used to paying for energy. You can investigate LP for your heat, domestic HW, clothes drying and cooking Or consider #2 home heating oil for heating and DHW, but you'll probably need a chimney. Energy is never free.

4. You are not being "double billed" for your electric. About 15 years ago there was a major effort to deregulate the electric utility industry. The Fed Govt felt that with the franchised Utility owning their own power plants, there was no incentive to get the cheapest power for their customers, and forced the utilities to sell off their plants. Customers would then be able to shop for power suppliers they liked (cheaper or greener) and the Utility would just be responsible to deliver it (for a fixed price). That's why there are usually 2 or 3 different parts to the bill. My opinion: Sometimes deregulation works, sometimes it doesn't.

5. The decay at the base of the one pole you photographed does not appear bad. What is a problem is the guy wires appear slack and that needs to be addressed. Also, I noticed the pole has either telephone or cable service attached. This complicates the possibility of using your easterly neighbors pole line in place of your 3 poles.

6. The Power Utility runs distribution lines along the main roads at 4000 to 13000 volts. When it needs to feed a few houses it usually taps that line with a fuse and extends that high voltage line a few pole sections down the road or driveway to a transformer. The transformer brings the voltage down to 120/240 used in your house. In my Utility's parlance for an overhead supply, the wire connection from the transformer to your house (weatherhead) is called the Service Drop, and the weatherhead cable/conduit to your meterbox is called the Service Entrance. The service drop is usually owned by the utility. The service entrance is usually owned by the homeowner. The meterbox is owned by the homeowner and the meter is owned by the Utility. Every utility uses slightly different terms for these parts, but what's very clear to them is "who owns what". My Utility is required by the State Regulators (PSC or PUC) to give a home owner 100' of high voltage line, 100' of service drop, and one pole & transformer if needed (free). Anything extra the home owner needs to pay for.

7. The Utility Planner, who will come out to inspect your situation, has the power of God, and you should be very nice to him. He works for the Utility and has the full and final say in what needs to be done. Did I mention you should be very nice to him. He usually spends most of his time interacting with professional contractors, and probably doesn't enjoy dealing with homeowners cause each one "wants a special deal". Don't be that guy.

8. Relax. You almost made it thru the winter. Maine winters can be brutal. Your power problem doesn't sound like a big problem and the Maine spring and summer are the best. Oh,... except for mud season and the black flies, those aren't the best.
 
So you need to contact your local power company and find out exactly why those poles were put in... they just dont pop em in for no reason, so ether a neighbor is upgrading or their is new construction going in farther back. It would be beneficial to find out as it could save you alot of money. The installers sould have informed you what they were for since they interrupted your service

They feed the neighbors power further down the easement road. Why my lines aren't connected to it is a mystery. The linesman told me he was putting in new poles. I didn't think I needed any more details than that. I am learning a lot.
 
That would work with me. And i'd love to have a neighbor with a tractor! :)

Here's my two cents:
1. Get a bigger house number sign at the end of the driveway.

2. Don't plan on going off grid unless the Quality of Service is so poor. It'll never be cheaper.

3. My last month's home electric usage was 300 kwh, I use Nat Gas for everything. My small vacation cabin which I visit one weekend a month, and keep at 55 deg F, used 1760 kwh for the same month (all electric). Get used to paying for energy. You can investigate LP for your heat, domestic HW, clothes drying and cooking Or consider #2 home heating oil for heating and DHW, but you'll probably need a chimney. Energy is never free.

4. You are not being "double billed" for your electric. About 15 years ago there was a major effort to deregulate the electric utility industry. The Fed Govt felt that with the franchised Utility owning their own power plants, there was no incentive to get the cheapest power for their customers, and forced the utilities to sell off their plants. Customers would then be able to shop for power suppliers they liked (cheaper or greener) and the Utility would just be responsible to deliver it (for a fixed price). That's why there are usually 2 or 3 different parts to the bill. My opinion: Sometimes deregulation works, sometimes it doesn't.

5. The decay at the base of the one pole you photographed does not appear bad. What is a problem is the guy wires appear slack and that needs to be addressed. Also, I noticed the pole has either telephone or cable service attached. This complicates the possibility of using your easterly neighbors pole line in place of your 3 poles.

6. The Power Utility runs distribution lines along the main roads at 4000 to 13000 volts. When it needs to feed a few houses it usually taps that line with a fuse and extends that high voltage line a few pole sections down the road or driveway to a transformer. The transformer brings the voltage down to 120/240 used in your house. In my Utility's parlance for an overhead supply, the wire connection from the transformer to your house (weatherhead) is called the Service Drop, and the weatherhead cable/conduit to your meterbox is called the Service Entrance. The service drop is usually owned by the utility. The service entrance is usually owned by the homeowner. The meterbox is owned by the homeowner and the meter is owned by the Utility. Every utility uses slightly different terms for these parts, but what's very clear to them is "who owns what". My Utility is required by the State Regulators (PSC or PUC) to give a home owner 100' of high voltage line, 100' of service drop, and one pole & transformer if needed (free). Anything extra the home owner needs to pay for.

7. The Utility Planner, who will come out to inspect your situation, has the power of God, and you should be very nice to him. He works for the Utility and has the full and final say in what needs to be done. Did I mention you should be very nice to him. He usually spends most of his time interacting with professional contractors, and probably doesn't enjoy dealing with homeowners cause each one "wants a special deal". Don't be that guy.

8. Relax. You almost made it thru the winter. Maine winters can be brutal. Your power problem doesn't sound like a big problem and the Maine spring and summer are the best. Oh,... except for mud season and the black flies, those aren't the best.

1. This is an easy fix. I'll probably take care of it tomorrow

2. So far the quality of service is deplorable, so it won't take much.

3. We have been averaging 1000 kwh a month, but that's with a 40 year old electric water heater, old fridge, and an older glass top range. It's in the works to get rid of all of this. We also use an hour or two of electric heat on really cold mornings when I didn't feel like getting up to feed the stove, but it's usually just one baseboard heater in the bedroom.

4. I know I'm not literally being double billed, but the cost of delivery is the same as the cost of the product. It's just a shock to me after dealing with a much different system of billing.

5. There is a cable for internet and phone, but it should be a non issue.

6. We'll see how this clarification goes with the planner

7. I'll definitely be ncie to the planner, it's my wife I have to look out for, she can be terrifying!

8. Indeed it is great to have made it through winter! I'm already enjoying spring and getting wood processed. We came to visit last summer, my first time but my wife is from the region, and it was fabulous. Yeah, the flies are bad, but no worse than mosquitoes in the south. I'm looking forward to many more seasons.
 
Seems like half the people in Maine are trying to get away from something or everything.

My wife will love that one... Our place is 80 miles one way to the nearest Home Depot, it makes renovations interesting. Fortunately, the vehicle we use to make Home Depot runs gets 40mpg

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3. We have been averaging 1000 kwh a month, but that's with a 40 year old electric water heater, old fridge, and an older glass top range. It's in the works to get rid of all of this. We also use an hour or two of electric heat on really cold mornings when I didn't feel like getting up to feed the stove, but it's usually just one baseboard heater in the bedroom.
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4. I know I'm not literally being double billed, but the cost of delivery is the same as the cost of the product. It's just a shock to me after dealing with a much different system of billing.
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8. Indeed it is great to have made it through winter! I'm already enjoying spring and getting wood processed. We came to visit last summer, my first time but my wife is from the region, and it was fabulous. Yeah, the flies are bad, but no worse than mosquitoes in the south. I'm looking forward to many more seasons.

Without an energy meter, it's difficult to judge how much that "hour or two" of electric baseboard heat is costing you. Once you have an energy meter, you'll have a solid dollar value on what that hour or two of electric heat costs, and it will add incentive to feeding the wood stove. If you came from the south, you're probably not accustomed to the BTUs required to heat the ground water in Maine that comes out of the ground at 40-52 degrees. In the south my city water comes in at 77 degrees, all day and all year long. That's a lot of BTU's I didn't have to pay for before it comes out of my shower head as hot water! For our place in Maine, I'm looking at a solar thermal pre-heat tank to bring the ground water up to a warmer stage without incurring Emera charges, or adding to my #2 heating oil bill.

Yeah, reading my Emera bill took some homework. Where I grew up billing was much more straight forward.

If you're from the south, and you think you know mosquitos, you haven't met a Maine mosquito yet. I'm from the swamps of south florida, Maine mosquitos still amaze me. My wife from Aroostook County warned me about black fly season and mud season, she didn't warn me that you could put harnesses on Maine mosquitos and team them up to pull farm implements!!
 
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I bet that electric heater is costing about $50 to $100 per month... when our electric heaters are on at work in the winter our hydro bill would kill u... it's so high that we are getting gas installed and new furnace that will pay for itself in a year... get rid of the old appliances as well.. I had a fridge the same vintage as yours.. a entry level but good fridge paid itself off in a year...

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My wife will love that one... Our place is 80 miles one way to the nearest Home Depot, it makes renovations interesting. Fortunately, the vehicle we use to make Home Depot runs gets 40mpg



Without an energy meter, it's difficult to judge how much that "hour or two" of electric baseboard heat is costing you. Once you have an energy meter, you'll have a solid dollar value on what that hour or two of electric heat costs, and it will add incentive to feeding the wood stove. If you came from the south, you're probably not accustomed to the BTUs required to heat the ground water in Maine that comes out of the ground at 40-52 degrees. In the south my city water comes in at 77 degrees, all day and all year long. That's a lot of BTU's I didn't have to pay for before it comes out of my shower head as hot water! For our place in Maine, I'm looking at a solar thermal pre-heat tank to bring the ground water up to a warmer stage without incurring Emera charges, or adding to my #2 heating oil bill.

Yeah, reading my Emera bill took some homework. Where I grew up billing was much more straight forward.

If you're from the south, and you think you know mosquitos, you haven't met a Maine mosquito yet. I'm from the swamps of south florida, Maine mosquitos still amaze me. My wife from Aroostook County warned me about black fly season and mud season, she didn't warn me that you could put harnesses on Maine mosquitos and team them up to pull farm implements!!

You must be near us, it's about the same distance for me to get to home depot. Hammond Lumber and True Value in Machias have most everything we need. I think I have scars from some black fly bites from our June 2018 house hunting visit.

The baseboard heaters do cost us money, but we don't use them regularly. Emera put a smart meter on this house at some point so I can track my usage somewhat. I need to get one of those Kill-A-Watt devices. The light bulbs are also being slowly changed out for LED units. Mostly because I hate changing planned obsolescence bulbs, but they are cheaper in the long run as well.

I have a rough plan for a mostly free hot water set up. My roof has an old solar accumulator that's been bypassed years ago. I could put a new one, or even two, up there. I also really want a wood cook stove with a DHW coil. My idea is to put a large water tank upstairs that is heated by the SWH and/or cook stove and then have that run into the on demand propane water heater. If it works right the propane WH shouldn't ever kick on. Having the accumulator/conditioning tank upstairs will allow for the water to circulate without pumps, in theory. I'm going to talk to my plumber about this since I'm no expert. I've read about some folks using several different water heating systems together.

Even if we don't go off grid, just changing out the appliances and getting propane back up heat will save us plenty.
 
I bet that electric heater is costing about $50 to $100 per month... when our electric heaters are on at work in the winter our hydro bill would kill u... it's so high that we are getting gas installed and new furnace that will pay for itself in a year... get rid of the old appliances as well.. I had a fridge the same vintage as yours.. a entry level but good fridge paid itself off in a year...

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Yeah, it's very old and can barely keep up with our small amount of usage. It's worse than we expected it to be. We planned on replacing it, but things have been slow this winter.
 
It's Gulland's methodology and thoughts that are worth reading. The specific hardware was not the reason for the post.