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begreen said:
Farming definitely is included with agriculture. Microbes in soil do the lion's share of carbon sequestration. Our agri-biz practices not only disrupt this natural cycle they exacerbate the problem greatly. Regenerative soil farming practices are necessary to reverse this trend. No beef here, I haven't eaten any in almost 50 yrs.. We'll be having a nice Cinquo de Mayo dinner without it.
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We've been cutting our meat intake dramatically over the last three years. Before I knew how bad cattle farming was for the environment I basically ate beef three times a day. Now we have beef once every two weeks or so. Eventually we'd like to grown all of our own vegetables and perhaps raise some poultry for eating. Perhaps after that happens we will eliminate red meat entirely. For now the small amount of meat we do eat is primarily turkey, chicken and fish.
 
Doug MacIVER said:
shame on me. another sin, forgive me father! you have made your choices> so have I ? Mine(in general) are for greed in your mind, you've said so in your posts.Your position is that folks such us,(my familly and like thinkers) ,care less !

your turn and a no to all makes you pure, no comm. fish, shellfish, chicken, goat, lamb, mutton, deer, elk,whale?

I now understand your attitude, my way, thinking , knowledge the only way, some out there do call agw, the new religion?
thanks for being honest, and gabgl (look up met. Dick Albert for defin)
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Who is belittling you? Everyone keeps telling you to believe in whatever you want. They post their opinions, and you post yours. I haven't seen anyone single you out maliciously.
 
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After reading through this thread, I can only come to the conclusion that the only thing wrong with this planet is that humans inhabit it. If all humans were eliminated, climate change would be almost nonexistent, the ocean level would reach near permanent equilibrium, and all types of emissions that are harmful to our atmosphere would cease.

The path forward seems obvious. We can't take the chance that we might be wrong.
 
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WinterinWI said:
After reading through this thread, I can only come to the conclusion that the only thing wrong with this planet is that humans inhabit it. If all humans were eliminated, climate change would be almost nonexistent, the ocean level would reach near permanent equilibrium, and all types of emissions that are harmful to our atmosphere would cease.

The path forward seems obvious. We can't take the chance that we might be wrong.
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An alternative would be to come to our collective senses, figure out what it takes to live on earth sustainably, and change our ways.
 
begreen said:
In the last minute we have destroyed over 50% of the world's forests.
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... and your mother-in-law told your wife you’d never amount to anything...
 
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Some of our consumer habits are madness. Shopping for many is like smoking, a momentary reward to make one feel good. That is unsustainable. And then there are industries based on getting into the consumer's wallet in spite of an incredibly large failure rate. Junk mail is based on this foundation. Our local paper continues to insert a flyer for a grocery chain that is many miles away with slim to no chance of getting our business. Yet it shows up weekly. When I asked if they could stop they pleaded, no, they need the revenue. How serious is this issue? Look at the numbers in the US alone - 100 million trees destroyed for creating more than 100 billion pieces of junk mail -- a year! When viewed as a source of emissions that is equivalent to more than all the cars registered in our two largest cities combined.

Here is a site for suggested steps to end the junk mail stream.
https://www.ecocycle.org/junkmail

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begreen said:
Some of our consumer habits are madness. Shopping for many is like smoking, a momentary reward to make one feel good. That is unsustainable. And then there are industries based on getting into the consumer's wallet in spite of an incredibly large failure rate. Junk mail is based on this foundation. Our local paper continues to insert a flyer for a grocery chain that is many miles away with slim to no chance of getting our business. Yet it shows up weekly. When I asked if they could stop they pleaded, no, they need the revenue. How serious is this issue? Look at the numbers in the US alone - 100 million trees destroyed for creating more than 100 billion pieces of junk mail -- a year! When viewed as a source of emissions that is equivalent to more than all the cars registered in our two largest cities combined.

Here is a site for suggested steps to end the junk mail stream.
https://www.ecocycle.org/junkmail

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How on earth are you only getting 848 pieces of junk mail each year? I’m easily clearing 2000 items of junk mail per year. No kidding.
 
Ashful said:
How on earth are you only getting 848 pieces of junk mail each year? I’m easily clearing 2000 items of junk mail per year. No kidding.
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That's an average. You and I are getting much more. It comes from a lifetime of steady income, spending and donating. My sons luckily are getting much less than average.
 
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Outlawing junk mail is one thing that would have guaranteed unilateral support from voters in both parties. I’m surprised no major democratic candidate has had this on their platform, or at least that I’ve seen. You know the Repub’s can’t touch this one, but it would be a great “centering” move, a’la Bill C.
 
Its amazing how much less mail I get at work since most business publications went electronic via the web; especially catalogs for tech products.
I've often wondered the actual impact though: energy used hauling mail versus running servers.
 
 
semipro said:
Its amazing how much less mail I get at work since most business publications went electronic via the web; especially catalogs for tech products.
I've often wondered the actual impact though: energy used hauling mail versus running servers.
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I have to admit I don’t have anything beyond a little life experience and gut feeling to support this, but I would be willing to bet that making those paper advertisements, and then having a mail carrier haul them to your house, uses substantially more energy than passing them thru an email server.
 
SpaceBus said:
Advertising does suck. Why would you defend that?
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Because begreen instigated it. Some people just have to be contrary.

Begreen and I are about as far apart as any two people can be, in a lot of our political views. But sometimes right is just right, and he is right a lot.
 
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Doug MacIVER said:
My last food for thought on this.
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Here's the caption for this graphic from this page: https://policlimate.com/tropical/
"Global Hurricane Frequency (all & major) -- 12-month running sums. The top time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached at least hurricane-force (maximum lifetime wind speed exceeds 64-knots). The bottom time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached major hurricane strength (96-knots+). Adapted from Maue (2011) GRL."

What I get from this this is that the total number of hurricanes is decreasing while the number of larger hurricanes is increasing.
So there are fewer events but the ones that do occur are larger. I see no reason to challenge that - maybe caused by AGW, maybe not.
I suspect that the relationship between event max wind speed and storm energy is not linear. Therefore total yearly storm event energy may actually be increasing despite what some may be reading into the numbers presented.

In fact, if you look a little farther down the page at the same site you see the graph of historical storm energy (ACE) which clearly shows an upward trend.
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Like a yard blower, air velocity is not necessarily indicative of power output.
 
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Ashful said:
I have to admit I don’t have anything beyond a little life experience and gut feeling to support this, but I would be willing to bet that making those paper advertisements, and then having a mail carrier haul them to your house, uses substantially more energy than passing them thru an email server.
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I hope you're right.
Bitcoin mining on the other hand is consuming a whole lot of energy: to what end I haven't been able to appreciate yet.
 
semipro said:
Here's the caption for this graphic from this page: https://policlimate.com/tropical/
"Global Hurricane Frequency (all & major) -- 12-month running sums. The top time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached at least hurricane-force (maximum lifetime wind speed exceeds 64-knots). The bottom time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached major hurricane strength (96-knots+). Adapted from Maue (2011) GRL."

What I get from this this is that the total number of hurricanes is decreasing while the number of larger hurricanes is increasing.
So there are fewer events but the ones that do occur are larger. I see no reason to challenge that - maybe caused by AGW, maybe not.
I suspect that the relationship between event max wind speed and storm energy is not linear. Therefore total yearly storm event energy may actually be increasing despite what some may be reading into the numbers presented.

In fact, if you look a little farther down the page at the same site you see the graph of historical storm energy (ACE) which clearly shows an upward trend.
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Like a yard blower, air velocity is not necessarily indicative of power output.
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Yes, there are lots of ways to look at data or to exclude data in order to make one's point. Volume of water appears to be another notable difference with major cyclones, regardless of wind strength.
 
begreen said:
No worries, the administration just silently stopped NASAs CO2 monitoring program. The one that did silly stuff like modeling C02 over time.
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ESA needs to step up. NASA isn’t the only game in town.
 
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Even the moon is starting to feel the effects.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/13/world/moon-shrinking-quakes-scn/index.html

"Some of the quakes also happened during a point in the moon's orbit when it was farthest from Earth, indicating that the tidal stress of Earth's gravity could have contributed to stress on the moon's crust."

Tidal stresses from Earth are so bad that the moon is being torn apart. They are also suggesting humans should go back to the moon. Bad idea, unless we can use emissions free vehicles, and not touch anything, since it sounds like the moon's life hangs in the balance.

We should go back to the moon.
 
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