Enviro 1700v Venice Insert questions

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MissesAlot

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Hello all,
We have our first insert newly installed and up and running. Have been working on our lighting and burning routine but have some questions, I have searched and read threads but I'm not sure I'm very good at that and didn't answer my questions yet.

1. where on the insert is a useful place to monitor the temp, the manual says stove top but thats not accessible. I have a laser thermometer, and having been shooting around the door frame to get a frame of reference but this doesn't seem like a good way.
2. Is there a device i can install on the base of the liner or top of stove that can serve as an alarm with a digital readout?
3. With the air shut all the way down, should i expect the insert to go out, or just burn at the slowest rate?

Thank you for any advice you can offer
 
Modern EPA stoves won't allow you to smolder them and burn dirty, they always allow enough air to the fire so that they burn cleanly.
 
Woody Stover said:
Modern EPA stoves won't allow you to smolder them and burn dirty, they always allow enough air to the fire so that they burn cleanly.
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Thank you for replying, I’m paranoid about burning too low and causing a chimney fire, and also about burning too hot and causing that or other damage. Trying to get the hang of it.
 
MissesAlot said:
I’m paranoid about burning too low and causing a chimney fire, and also about burning too hot and causing that or other damage. Trying to get the hang of it.
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You're aware of what you're doing, you'll be OK. The ones that get into trouble are those that don't pay attention.
 
MissesAlot said:
Hello all,
We have our first insert newly installed and up and running. Have been working on our lighting and burning routine but have some questions, I have searched and read threads but I'm not sure I'm very good at that and didn't answer my questions yet.

1. where on the insert is a useful place to monitor the temp, the manual says stove top but thats not accessible. I have a laser thermometer, and having been shooting around the door frame to get a frame of reference but this doesn't seem like a good way.
2. Is there a device i can install on the base of the liner or top of stove that can serve as an alarm with a digital readout?
3. With the air shut all the way down, should i expect the insert to go out, or just burn at the slowest rate?

Thank you for any advice you can offer
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Knowing the flue temp is quite helpful. There are folks here that have used a digital probe thermometer to solve this dilemma. The set up by Auber Instruments is pretty popular.

EPA stoves don't run like a gas stove burner. Turning the air down does not necessarily mean a lower fire. It depends on the stage of the burn and how soon the air is turned down. In a setup with good draft, once the fire has started burning robustly, turning down the primary air will create a vacuum in the stove. This pulls air through the secondary ports and encourages aa hotter secondary burn plus a cool light show. The stove body temp will climb during this period, even with the air mostly closed off.
 
any pictures of the setup? Only asking because when I finally do get an insert I'm 99% sure this is the one I want to get and I'm tired of staring at all the photoshopped advertisements for it. Also I don't understand how the top of the stove isn't accessible. I thought this model stuck out several inches. It is not a flush unit.
 
begreen said:
Turning the air down does not necessarily mean a lower fire. It depends on the stage of the burn and how soon the air is turned down. In a setup with good draft, once the fire has started burning robustly, turning down the primary air will create a vacuum in the stove. This pulls air through the secondary ports and encourages aa hotter secondary burn plus a cool light show. The stove body temp will climb during this period, even with the air mostly closed off.
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How much difference have you found in the burn rate, loading the wood crossways versus loading it front to back?
I think you can load the Enviro either way, right?
 
robj80 said:
any pictures of the setup? Only asking because when I finally do get an insert I'm 99% sure this is the one I want to get and I'm tired of staring at all the photoshopped advertisements for it. Also I don't understand how the top of the stove isn't accessible. I thought this model stuck out several inches. It is not a flush unit.
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It does stick out several inches but the actual stovetop is under a cast iron convective lid. This prevents one from taking a reading from the stovetop, though one might be able to get a decent reading with an IR thermometer through the large convection slots.

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Woody Stover said:
How much difference have you found in the burn rate, loading the wood crossways versus loading it front to back?
I think you can load the Enviro either way, right?
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Yes, the Kodiak/Boston/Venice 1700 can be loaded N/S. It is hard to objectify the difference in burntime because one can not load the stove as full when E/W loading. With roughly equivalent loads maybe an hour longer burn?
 
I have an Auber probe thermometer on my Boston 1700. At first I had it attached to the screw on the outside of the collar like in the pic. Right now I have it on the inside of the collar just kind of shoved between the collar and the liner adapter.

Both ways worked well but I found I got a faster reading that was more responsive to temp changes on the inside.

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