Liner without a chimney???

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Lewisthepilgrim

Lewisthepilgrim

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Hey guys whats goin on? I am brand new to wood burning this season. We just finished hooking up the main woodstove in our house, and its working fantastic!

With that said, its time to move on to my garage. I have a new vogelzang stove that I would like to install. I have a full 6'' SS chimney liner kit complete with cap. Could I use this liner kit without a chimney? Could I just buy a bigger 8'' "through the roof" kit, and run the liner inside of it and down to the woodstove right underneath?
 
Welcome to the forum. A few things.

First off, installing a woodstove in a garage may be against code, and almost certainly against your home owners policy.

Second, you can not use a liner as a chimney. That is like using socks as work-boots. You would most certainly need a true SS chimney if you are even able to install it in the garage.
 
Shawneyboy, not a problem for insurance with many people here on a woodburner in garage, and codes not against it either but we live out in the sticks. Liner without a chimney is all bad.
 
oldspark said:
Shawneyboy, not a problem for insurance with many people here on a woodburner in garage, and codes not against it either but we live out in the sticks. Liner without a chimney is all bad.
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I would venture to say you are in an unusual situation if they allow a stove in the garage. Either way, best to check before putting it there. But yeah, Liner without a chimney is just asking for trouble.
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
ok, so I'll just sell the liner kit. Now I need a chimney of some sort... What should I look for on craigslist?

Should I just run regular 6'' stove pipe up to a "through the roof" kit ?
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Please before you invest any money in a chimney check with local codes and with insurance company. If you can do the install you should get whatever size is reccomended for the stove, most likely 6 inch. Straight up and out is usually best, make sure you meet the 10/2/3 rule as well.
 
If you are thinking about buying an 8" through the roof kit, the extra liner would be really superfluous anyway -- those things are mainly for retrofitting older chimneys. If your second stove has a 6" collar, an 8" kit would have more than enough draft. I'm not by any means an expert on installing these things, though, and they are definitely trickier than using a thimble or going up an existing fireplace. So I'm going to reiterate what everyone else is saying: check the code, don't build anything / cut holes in your roof if your not sure what you're doing, and don't try to use the SS liner by itself.

Welcome to woodburning, though! Have you got the wood on hand to burn this season? There's a good number of us woodburners all around the Seacoast. The best man at my wedding grew up in Kingston!
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
Should I just run regular 6'' stove pipe up to a "through the roof" kit ?
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That is the most straight forward way to attack this. Depending on the model of your vogel - your probably gonna be puking enough hot air up the stack to keep it clean.

What model of stove are we talking about??

Edit: and I back the idea of checking codes and insurance.
 
It is against code to install a woodstove in your garage, whether or not that code is enforced is, sadly, another story. Typically we store things in our garage that can/do form flammable vapors and if we have a woodstove in there the vapors, heat and a little oxygen could decide to throw a party. Your choice though.
 
Shane said:
It is against code to install a woodstove in your garage, whether or not that code is enforced is, sadly, another story. Typically we store things in our garage that can/do form flammable vapors and if we have a woodstove in there the vapors, heat and a little oxygen could decide to throw a party. Your choice though.
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Not the same every where so he needs to check for his location.
 
Your install of class A UL 103HT compliant chimney, which is the only thing you can use, has to match your building configuration. Go to Dura-vents or selkirk's sites and read. You will see a description photo or drawing of your "type" system. You then need to buy ALL the necessary components and install them properly, paying partcular attention to the clearances. Factory built chimney sold used would scare the bejeepers out of me. Especially so if you do not know what you are looking for/at.
 
Never could figure out why it was safe to run a torpedo heater in a shop or weld but a woodburner was not safe.
 
oldspark said:
Never could figure out why it was safe to run a torpedo heater in a shop or weld but a woodburner was not safe.
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Don't quote me on this, but I think there is a distinction between "Shop" and "Garage". My "Shop" has a wood burner in it. It just so happens to have my chainsaws, and Jeep in it (when shop is not in use).
 
Lewisthepilgrim said:
ok, who should I call about checking my local code?
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I would start with your local building inspector.
 
Jags said:
oldspark said:
Never could figure out why it was safe to run a torpedo heater in a shop or weld but a woodburner was not safe.
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Don't quote me on this, but I think there is a distinction between "Shop" and "Garage". My "Shop" has a wood burner in it. It just so happens to have my chainsaws, and Jeep in it (when shop is not in use).
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Makes sense, OP needs to call it a shop. :)
 
oldspark said:
Jags said:
oldspark said:
Never could figure out why it was safe to run a torpedo heater in a shop or weld but a woodburner was not safe.
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Don't quote me on this, but I think there is a distinction between "Shop" and "Garage". My "Shop" has a wood burner in it. It just so happens to have my chainsaws, and Jeep in it (when shop is not in use).
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Makes sense, OP needs to call it a shop. :)
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I believe there are "rules" that have to be followed. Things such as attached/unattached to house, etc.
 
I just got off the phone with both the building inspector, and the fire department....neither one was able to answer my question!

I'll have to wait for the cheif to be in tommorrow... I will be sure to call it a "shop" :)
 
I have looked into this recently and through my limited internet research, this is what I have found. Usually a solid fuel burning appliance is NOT allowed in an attached "garage". However, it may be able to be installed in an attached "workshop". If it is detached "garage", you still may be able to install it but would need to elevate the stove around 24" off the floor.


Basically, a "garage" is where vehicles are stored, which also means gasoline (or other flammable fuels) are also stored there (unless, I guess, if you were to drain the fuel tanks and oil out each time before moving the vehicle into the "garage".

A "shop" would be (in my opinion) a "workshop" where work is done, things are worked on, built, deconstructed, etc., and could include the incidental vehicle or parts thereof (i.e., the vehicle is not stored there, and, in all likelihood, the vehicle or parts would not be fully assembled and would not be operational, thus no stored fuel.

Using an open flame heat source in an area where flammable fuels are stored is ... well ... one should not even need a code to say this ... it is *DUMB*. Would be high on the Darwin Award Candidacy list.

Quoted from: http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_...ercial-inspection/3110-wood-stove-garage.html
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So tell us more about your "garage"? Will you be storing cars in it? Or is it more like a "workshop", or maybe a mancave? I would call your local code enforcement officer to find out if is ok to do. And also call your insurance company to see if they will cover it as well.
 
oldspark said:
Shane said:
It is against code to install a woodstove in your garage, whether or not that code is enforced is, sadly, another story. Typically we store things in our garage that can/do form flammable vapors and if we have a woodstove in there the vapors, heat and a little oxygen could decide to throw a party. Your choice though.
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Not the same every where so he needs to check for his location.
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CHAPTER Saf-C 6000 STATE FIRE CODE (new Hampshire)


PART Saf-C 6013 CHIMNEYS, FIREPLACES, VENTS AND SOLID FUEL BURNING APPLIANCES

Saf-C 6013.01 Model Code for the Installation and Operation of Solid Fuel Heating Appliances.

(a) Pursuant to RSA 153:5 and RSA 153:14, IV, the commissioner hereby adopts as a rule NFPA 211, 2003 edition, “Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents and Solid Fuel Burning Appliancesâ€.

(b) All persons installing, maintaining, repairing or operating solid fuel heating appliances shall comply with the requirements of NFPA 211.

NFPA codes....
NFPA 211....

12.2.3 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in any location
where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or gases are likely to be present.


Just so you know....


Hows that for an answer ????
 
So electric heat is the only "safe" way to heat a garage or shop as a gas furnace is an open flame?
"Using an open flame heat source in an area where flammable fuels are stored is ... well ... one should not even need a code to say this ... it is *DUMB*. Would be high on the Darwin Award Candidacy list." And who made that statement?
 
oldspark said:
So electric heat is the only "safe" way to heat a garage or shop as a gas furnace is an open flame?
"Using an open flame heat source in an area where flammable fuels are stored is ... well ... one should not even need a code to say this ... it is *DUMB*. Would be high on the Darwin Award Candidacy list." And who made that statement?
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I linked it in my post.
 
shawneyboy said:
oldspark said:
Shane said:
It is against code to install a woodstove in your garage, whether or not that code is enforced is, sadly, another story. Typically we store things in our garage that can/do form flammable vapors and if we have a woodstove in there the vapors, heat and a little oxygen could decide to throw a party. Your choice though.
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Not the same every where so he needs to check for his location.
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CHAPTER Saf-C 6000 STATE FIRE CODE (new Hampshire)


PART Saf-C 6013 CHIMNEYS, FIREPLACES, VENTS AND SOLID FUEL BURNING APPLIANCES

Saf-C 6013.01 Model Code for the Installation and Operation of Solid Fuel Heating Appliances.

(a) Pursuant to RSA 153:5 and RSA 153:14, IV, the commissioner hereby adopts as a rule NFPA 211, 2003 edition, “Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents and Solid Fuel Burning Appliancesâ€.

(b) All persons installing, maintaining, repairing or operating solid fuel heating appliances shall comply with the requirements of NFPA 211.

NFPA codes....
NFPA 211....

12.2.3 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in any location
where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or gases are likely to be present.


Just so you know....


Hows that for an answer ????
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I am confused, did I not say the same for every location and he needed to check his own area. I know some codes dont allow it so what are you trying to prove?
 
Since not too many vapors escape a car's gas tank (unless it is leaking) and if you dont store gas in the building I would think it would be fine.
 
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